Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 10:22 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Keepass and friends are worthy alternatives, but AFAIK they aren't usable from phones. I use Keepassdroid on an Android phone and it works just fine. It's a bit

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:12 AM, bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote: since this has been hijacked to be a thread regarding passwds.. why don't you relabel the topic... Maybe, if it goes on much longer. However I would hardly call this hijacking. It has drifted a little from the original topic,

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote: Seconded. I use keepassx as well. My database is on a VFAT partition on a 1G USB Flash drive I carry with me with a second copy on my Droid phone...just in case I need it. Keepass and friends are worthy alternatives,

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-21 Thread Greg Woods
On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 10:22 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Keepass and friends are worthy alternatives, but AFAIK they aren't usable from phones. I use Keepassdroid on an Android phone and it works just fine. It's a bit clunkier than on a desktop, but then, isn't everything? I manually

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-21 Thread bruce
ok guys.. since this has been hijacked to be a thread regarding passwds.. why don't you relabel the topic... On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 10:22 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Keepass and friends are worthy alternatives, but

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent: it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password. It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the more benign side of things. e.g. A fool uses some

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread David Beveridge
Have you seen this one. Only for RHEL5 so a bit out of date but much of it will still apply. http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/os/redhat/NSA_RHEL_5_GUIDE_v4.2.pdf On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:05 AM, bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install.

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the face that this webservice is not hotmail. Not quite what you're saying but tangentially related:

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Roger
On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your hotmail username and password, so they do, despite the

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Roger are...@bigpond.com wrote: On 12/20/2013 09:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: e.g. A fool uses some webservice that asks you to log in with your hotmail username and password,

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Greg Woods
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 18:35 +1030, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2013, Greg Woods sent: it is very risky to use the same password at multiple locations, even if it is an easy-to-remember but hard-to-guess password. It definitely is, and I've seen the results, even on the

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 20 December 2013, Greg Woods sent: The eventual point of this is that there is really no such thing as a hard-to-guess and easy-to-remember password. It's one thing to have a password like purplepolkadotsonmydog, but another to remember whether that password was for

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: It gets worse if you use multiple computers. It's a nightmare trying to do something that's accessible on all, and secure. Whether that be letting applications remember passwords, and I'm severely pissed with browsers

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Dennis Kaptain
2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: It gets worse if you use multiple computers. It's a nightmare trying to do something that's accessible on all, and secure. Whether that be letting applications

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-20 Thread Rick Stevens
On 12/20/2013 01:27 PM, Dennis Kaptain issued this missive: 2013/12/20 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: It gets worse if you use

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 18 December 2013, Rick Stevens sent: 3. Make sure you enforce complex passwords and require them to be rotated at least every 90 days. I take issue with the continually changing passwords idea. If you get hacked, changing the password after the event is too late. And if

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Haney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/19/2013 12:16 PM, Tim wrote: You really need something that detects attempt to crack passwords, responds appropriately to thwart the attacks while they happen, and immediately notifies you that an attempt is happening as it happens (e.g.

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Roger Heflin
If you have not installed it, install denyhosts...it watches for ssh password attacks and locks out hosts automatically. It does limit the number of attempts someone gets before being completely locked out. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote: -BEGIN

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Haney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/19/2013 12:44 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: If you have not installed it, install denyhosts...it watches for ssh password attacks and locks out hosts automatically. Yes, denyhosts is also a good package and one I've forgotten about. Thanks for

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Steven Stern
On 12/18/2013 11:05 AM, bruce wrote: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Tethys
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: If you get hacked, changing the password after the event is too late. And if they installed a backdoor, changing your password will be completely pointless. If you haven't been hacked, you're just making life harder for

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread bruce
guys.. The project that the corrupt system is going to be driving will create a distributed network of systems, where the edge systems, are tied back into the central server(s). Think of the BOINC/SETI project, where you have a bunch of edge systems doing work and communicating back to the master

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Paweł Sikora
On Friday 20 of December 2013 03:46:13 Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 18 December 2013, Rick Stevens sent: 3. Make sure you enforce complex passwords and require them to be rotated at least every 90 days. I take issue with the continually changing passwords idea. using rotated

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-19 Thread Greg Woods
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 03:46 +1030, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 18 December 2013, Rick Stevens sent: 3. Make sure you enforce complex passwords and require them to be rotated at least every 90 days. I take issue with the continually changing passwords idea. I agree with you on this

hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-18 Thread bruce
Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-18 Thread Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo
As it in not common to be hacked on linux, and linux is really strong after install, perhaps you could specify a little under what conditions you were hacked. Was a physical intrusion? communicational? software? a web page? an open service or port? an injection? stolen passwd? Normally, hacking

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 12/18/2013 09:05 AM, bruce issued this missive: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also,

Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start

2013-12-18 Thread NoSpaze
Common rootkits that exploit weaknesses of old systems. I'd say it's enough to keep updated systems. If want some more hardening, close opened ports, use a firewall or iptables, create a DMZ, use strong passwords, disable unneeded services. Re included the list. There are people who reads the