how to use a mailing-list

2012-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2012 11:19, schrieb Sophie Sperner: how to unsubscribe from this mail listing? Please leave me alone. like from every other mailing-list on this world * read the list-footer each message contgains * read mail-headers how did you manage to get subscribed? the same way you unsubscribe

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 05:02, schrieb Charles Zeitler: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. not if you are generating thousands of mails do what you will if it only affects you oh, and after some verification i saw that this is a childish footer on top On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM,

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list the first To and the Cc are useless in thunderbird you can even drag a reoply to list button to your icon-bar that can handle

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 11:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list the first To and the Cc are useless in thunderbird you can even drag a reoply

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 10:25, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2012 11:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list the first To

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/04/12 11:43, Sam Sharpe wrote: The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a while since the list hosting was moved, perhaps now it's worth severing

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: but at least i am talking to everybody who is not aware how to use a mailprogram - i can not verify if you are one of them because i do the work removing duplicates in my mail-archive If you don't want

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 15:24, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: but at least i am talking to everybody who is not aware how to use a mailprogram - i can not verify if you are one of them because i do the work removing

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 15:38:29 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2012 15:24, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: but at least i am talking to everybody who is not aware how to use a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 15:50, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use reply all. This covers people who want to have their address in the recipient headers so they can treat the

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 04/07/2012 04:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use reply all Completely wrong. - The normal way to answer to all is reply all - The normal way to answer on the

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: really, as long you do not understand the headers in a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies of the same mails do not explain people the normal way Scroll up a few messages. I've already stated that the problem was

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 16:04, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby: On 04/07/2012 04:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use reply all Completely wrong. - The normal way to

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 16:48, schrieb Sam Sharpe: On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: really, as long you do not understand the headers in a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies of the same mails do not explain people the normal way Scroll up a few

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 10:51 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: oh, and after some verification i saw that this is a childish footer on top This guy is the only person I've seen in 20 years of using mailing lists who puts his signature on top. At least other people's pet obsessions are easier to

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/07/2012 11:22 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: This guy is the only person I've seen in 20 years of using mailing lists who puts his signature on top. At least other people's pet obsessions are easier to ignore; this one get in the way of every one of his posts. I wonder when he'll realize

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/07/2012 08:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I wonder when he'll realize it's counter-productive. Considering the anti-social nature of the quote, I rather doubt he cares. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 15:52, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2012 16:48, schrieb Sam Sharpe: On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: really, as long you do not understand the headers in a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies of the

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 18:07, schrieb Sam Sharpe: Ok, you're not getting this. Let me explain simply so that you understand and we can end this tedious argument you seem to want to spend a lot of effort on a weekend to perpetuate. There were three email addresses in the reply: 1) The sender of

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 17:21, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: some stuff Hi, You don't get my point; you seem to want to keep an argument going. I don't understand why, but I know for certain you can't sustain an argument on your own, so I'll just cut you off at this end. Have a pleasant

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/08/2012 12:30 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 7 April 2012 17:21, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: some stuff Hi, You don't get my point; you seem to want to keep an argument going. I don't understand why, but I know for certain you can't sustain an argument on your own, so I'll

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net wrote: The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a while since the list hosting

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 18:21:09 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: because i get often enough mails twice as reply and i can not remember that i configured anything in a way imply that i want this I already told you how to do that. You either have your email client send a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 00:35:25 +0800, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I would lobby the fedora list managers to deactivate the fedora-l...@redhat.com address and return an error message to anyone sending to that list address. Everyone who has expressed an opinion in this thread

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/08/2012 12:41 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net wrote: The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of forwarding it on to the real list

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 04/08/2012 12:41 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net wrote: The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 18:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: register on a mailing-list usually means people are sending and replying to the list-adress and that there is no reason for reply all there is no i want mails twice setting so nobody can imply reply all is the right action just

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 19:31, schrieb Craig White: On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 18:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: register on a mailing-list usually means people are sending and replying to the list-adress and that there is no reason for reply all there is no i want mails twice setting so nobody can

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option. Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is Reply to List. That's one reason I access my lists via

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 20:21, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option. Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is Reply to

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:04:38 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: well, reply is enough to act correct each list-message has a Reply-To-header No each list doesn't have that. Many Fedora lists do. Doing this (lists munging reply-to headers) is also a bad idea, as it breaks

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 21:08, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:04:38 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: well, reply is enough to act correct each list-message has a Reply-To-header No each list doesn't have that. Many Fedora lists do. so what, we are

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:20:31 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: set reply-to headers is for people who are unable for reply-to-list by their bad mail-program or ignorance Not exactly. The reason people started doing this as people were meaning to reply to list messages,

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 21:27, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:20:31 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: set reply-to headers is for people who are unable for reply-to-list by their bad mail-program or ignorance Not exactly. The reason people started doing this

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread jdow
On 2012/04/07 10:55, Reindl Harald wrote: correct, but there will always be Reindl, you are a useful new users which are not member of this list. Please realizing that they are doing drop this nonsense so this something wrong and they can

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
{^_^} (With malice aforethought.) partly understood what they are doing wrong that they do not the only childish things are funny replies like yours i only try to explain how to use really simple things like a mailing list and how to use a mailprogram if this is a problem for you i can not really help you

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option. Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 20:04, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: well, reply is enough to act correct each list-message has a Reply-To-header so everyone even with gmail must be ignorant to say it is not the fault of the user - X-BeenThere: users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: To: Fedora List fedora-l...@redhat.com Reply-To: p...@pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: To: Fedora List fedora-l...@redhat.com Reply-To: p...@pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so no, you can not impress me with any reference and the fact that you stil do not understand why reply all is idiotic (to say it clear) shows that you are one more of the big but failing At no point have I discussed whether

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so start acting it. I only dropped my credentials in there because

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:36, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2012 00:47, schrieb Sam Sharpe: On 7 April 2012 23:36, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name dropping

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:56, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so may have not - but the will even not if you paint them a picture - so hwat exactly is your danmed problem? I've been trying to work out what your problem is all day, you started this thread, not me. You could have ended it

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread David
On 4/7/2012 6:03 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: To: Fedora List fedora-l...@redhat.com Reply-To:

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/07/2012 03:47 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: Changing the subject has little relevance to how mail clients thread the messages. But then I'm guessing you're going to say that's wrong too. Not everybody has their mail client thread messages. Personally, I've always preferred to read them in

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/07/2012 07:20 PM, David wrote: Honest to goodness people! There are some people that will never let the truth, the facts, or reality interfere with what they have been told to believe. Ah! So this is where you've been hiding. Just in lurk mode, I re-subscribed just to see how

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 22:20 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 7 April 2012 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option.

how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list everybody receive your messages twice and the people you answer THREE times - this is really a bad mailing-style wasting space and bandwith the first To and the Cc are useless in thunderbird you can even

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-06 Thread Charles Zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list are _you_ talkin' to _me_ ? charles zeitler Love is the law, love