Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-04 Thread Tim
Martin Bříza: >> So if you guys agree "reformatting" would be a better choice, I'll >> go ahead and change the text. Matthew Miller: > I guess my inclination would be to just drop this feature entirely. If > people want to reformat the drive, they can use whatever regular OS > feature to do it. Th

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:29 +0300, Egor Zaharov wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Doug H. om> wrote: > > > > I am happy to adhere to group standards but note that you did not > > give > > anything to quantify "too long".  I did consider the size of the > > text > > pasted and figured it w

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-03 Thread Egor Zaharov
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Doug H. wrote: > I am happy to adhere to group standards but note that you did not give > anything to quantify "too long". I did consider the size of the text > pasted and figured it was well within "too" anything. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guid

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 01:05:38PM +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > Over all, I think this functionality is a necessary part of the tool > which won't make a regular user feel punished for sacrificing a > flash drive for trying Fedora. Thanks for the explanation. That seems fair enough. -- Matthew M

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-03 Thread Martin Bříza
On Mon, 02 May 2016 17:05:52 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: I chose "factory settings" because usually when you get a new flash drive, it's FAT formatted. While this is a big simplification, I thought it would be a good one for a us

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: >>> I chose "factory settings" because usually when you get a new flash >>> drive, it's FAT formatted. While this is a big s

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: >> I chose "factory settings" because usually when you get a new flash >> drive, it's FAT formatted. While this is a big simplification, I >> thought it would be a good one for a u

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > I chose "factory settings" because usually when you get a new flash > drive, it's FAT formatted. While this is a big simplification, I > thought it would be a good one for a user who is not very technically > savvy - because that's the

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-02 Thread Martin Bříza
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:06:15 +0200, Doug H. wrote: On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 19:25 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Doug H. wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > > > > I'm the guy responsible for the rewrite so please hit me with any > >

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-05-02 Thread Martin Bříza
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:37:21 +0200, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2016-04-30 at 10:11 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: It does seem like there might be a better term than "factory settings". We used to call that reformatting... If you want to avoid calling it that, I don't know what a better term will b

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-30 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2016-04-30 at 10:11 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > It does seem like there might be a better term than "factory > settings". We used to call that reformatting... If you want to avoid calling it that, I don't know what a better term will be. Reseting? Erasing. It's not just being pedant

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-30 Thread Doug H.
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 19:25 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Doug H. om> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > > > > > > I'm the guy responsible for the rewrite so please hit me with any > > > issue or > > > suggestion you have, > >

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 07:17:57PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > How does it know what the factory settings were? I get the impression it > > just creates a vfat file system on the device using all of the available > > space. > Factory settings means it will wipe all the isohybrid and bootloader >

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Doug H. wrote: > On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: >> I'm the guy responsible for the rewrite so please hit me with any >> issue or >> suggestion you have, > > Since you asked... > > This thread prodded me into opening liveusb-creator, or tryin

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:20:13 +0200, > Martin Bříza wrote: >> >> >> Yes, it was rewritten. Now it uses only dd to write to a flash drive and >> it indeed is capable of restoring a flash drive containing Fedora to its >> factory settin

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? Yes, it's undergoing a rewrite so there may be some confusion and bugs in 3.93.3 still. > I'm having difficulty installing Knoppix on a stick with the latter, > although I had no

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Doug H.
On Sat, 2016-04-30 at 01:09 +0300, Egor Zaharov wrote: > Don't do like this again. If error log is too long, paste it to > pastebin services, > and provide a link to it. Seriously? A 29K e-mail (20K of body text) is too long in this millennium? I am happy to adhere to group standards but note t

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Egor Zaharov
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Doug H. wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > > I'm the guy responsible for the rewrite so please hit me with any > > issue or > > suggestion you have, > > Since you asked... > > This thread prodded me into opening liveusb-creator, or

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Doug H.
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > I'm the guy responsible for the rewrite so please hit me with any > issue or   > suggestion you have, Since you asked... This thread prodded me into opening liveusb-creator, or trying to.  I had used it within the last few weeks to create a

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:01:45 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/29/2016 11:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: How does it know what the factory settings were? I get the impression it just creates a vfat file system on the device using all of the available space. Isn't that what the factory settings

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/29/2016 11:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: How does it know what the factory settings were? I get the impression it just creates a vfat file system on the device using all of the available space. Isn't that what the factory settings are? When was the last time that you checked a new flash

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:20:13 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: Yes, it was rewritten. Now it uses only dd to write to a flash drive and it indeed is capable of restoring a flash drive containing Fedora to its factory settings. How does it know what the factory settings were? I get the impress

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Martin Bříza
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:13:56 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? Not sure I understand your query [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf whatprovides /usr/bin/liveusb-creator Last metadata expiration check: 1 day, 19:40:46 ago o

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-29 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: >> Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? > Not sure I understand your query > > [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf whatprovides /usr/bin/liveusb-creator > Last metadata expiration check: 1 day, 19:40:46 ago on Wed Apr 27 11:11:05 > 2016. liveusb-creator-3.93.3-1.f

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-28 Thread jd1008
On 04/28/2016 04:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? I'm having difficulty installing Knoppix on a stick with the latter, although I had no problem installing an older version of Knoppix on the same USB stick with liveusb-creator some time ago.

Re: liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/29/16 06:26, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? > I'm having difficulty installing Knoppix on a stick with the latter, > although I had no problem installing an older version of Knoppix > on the same USB stick with liveusb-creator some time ago.

liveusb-creator gone?

2016-04-28 Thread Timothy Murphy
Has liveusb-creator been replaced by Fedora Media Writer? I'm having difficulty installing Knoppix on a stick with the latter, although I had no problem installing an older version of Knoppix on the same USB stick with liveusb-creator some time ago. The copy now completes without error, but the st