Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rick Stevens wrote: On 03/21/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew Miller issued this missive: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an example, I have my own (v

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-22 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:55:56AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: >> Unlike others, however, I find the new system logging and analysis tools >> cumbersome and painful to use. Having a program send an email to me if >> it encounters issues is FAR superior to me having to plow

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:55:56AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Unlike others, however, I find the new system logging and analysis tools > cumbersome and painful to use. Having a program send an email to me if > it encounters issues is FAR superior to me having to plow through the > logs to see if

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-21 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/21/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew Miller issued this missive: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an example, I have my own (vanity) domain and use

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: Absolutely. But since you need to configure it before it's useful, it's arguably actively harmful to have it running by default. That's all. No one is removing MTAs from the distro. That depends. If your ISP isn't doing any port blocking, the defau

no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

2014-03-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, > it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an > example, I have my own (vanity) domain and use its mail servers, > over Port 587. I also have sendmail