Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread birger
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 18:39 -0800, jack craig wrote: Hi Folks, I regret to report that Moblin, my hope for a mobile linux, is dead. As someone alse already pointed out, Moblin is not dead. What is happening is that Moblin (intel-based) and Maemo (Arm-based) are merging to create MeeGo.

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 04:52:10 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto in brazil the energy cost's alot of money, and arm don't wast energy, I am very happy with my Lord Sheeva running Fedora also reduced alot my eletric bill! Funny

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread Ed Greshko
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday 16 February 2010 04:52:10 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto in brazil the energy cost's alot of money, and arm don't wast energy, I am very happy with my Lord Sheeva running Fedora also reduced

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread Alan Cox
(1) Curious about why you say Moblin is dead? I missed the announcement! (2) I'm writing this on a EeePC 1000HA (1GB, 160GB - but I'm using less than 20G) running F12 very nicely. Moblin and Maemo are merging to produce one project using the best bits of each to produce a single distro

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 01:38 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: It's obvious you didn't even read my link. Please read my link. Bzzt, WRONG! Some other guy's comparison between two PCs that he has, bears no relation to a comparison of two PCs that I have. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r

Rawhide: How to confirm use of gallium with nouveau?

2010-02-16 Thread Chris Smart
Rawhide provides 3D support for NVIDIA cards with the nouveau driver, via package mesa-dri-drivers-experimental. Is there a way to confirm that I'm using the gallium driver and not something else? glxinfo outputs the vendor as nouveau and I do get about 1000fps, but I thought I saw the vendor as

[slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread steve
Hi, On 02/16/2010 02:58 PM, Alan Cox wrote: (1) Curious about why you say Moblin is dead? I missed the announcement! (2) I'm writing this on a EeePC 1000HA (1GB, 160GB - but I'm using less than 20G) running F12 very nicely. Moblin and Maemo are merging to produce one project using the

Re: Rawhide: How to confirm use of gallium with nouveau?

2010-02-16 Thread Chris Smart
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com wrote: Any ideas? Nevermind, I found where I saw it. Vendor should be nouveau, but the renderer should be Gallium3D which mine is. For anyone interested, KDE desktop effects don't work - at least not with my GT8800 card.

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 18:39 -0800, jack craig wrote: Hi Folks, I regret to report that Moblin, my hope for a mobile linux, is dead. What's your source for this? My hw is Asus, EeePC 1000, 1GB ram, 40GB disk. Anyone running FC (11 maybe?) on hw like this? Running F12 on an EEEPC 1000

Re: Sendmail help sought

2010-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: I'm not talking about IP addresses, I mean email addresses. Presume that I am t...@localhost on my machine, and I masquerade my mail to change localhost to the domain name of my ISP (e.g. example.com), and I (now) send out my mail as t...@example.com, to save me from configuring

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread inode0
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:08 AM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: Hi, On 02/16/2010 02:58 PM, Alan Cox wrote:  (1) Curious about why you say Moblin is dead? I missed the announcement!  (2) I'm writing this on a EeePC 1000HA (1GB, 160GB - but I'm using less  than 20G) running F12 very nicely.

How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. Is there any safe way of doing this while the machine is running? Unfortunately the CD drive does not appear to

Re: weird F12 printing problem

2010-02-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 14:01 +1030, Tim wrote: fred smith: It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP address. Aaron Konstam: Even so it needs to shared on the server that is distributing its services to the rest of the machines. Or are you connecting it to

Re: weird F12 printing problem

2010-02-16 Thread fred smith
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:08:40AM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 20:32 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:46:25PM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 11:20 -0500, fred smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 04:12:54PM +, Tim Waugh

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Rich Mahn
I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. Is there any safe way of doing this while the machine is running? Unfortunately the CD drive does not

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread jack craig
On 02/15/2010 07:31 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 18:39 -0800, jack craig wrote: Hi Folks, I regret to report that Moblin, my hope for a mobile linux, is dead. My hw is Asus, EeePC 1000, 1GB ram, 40GB disk. Anyone running FC (11 maybe?) on hw like this? Hi Jack, (1)

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Mikkel
On 02/16/2010 08:29 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. Is there any safe way of doing this while the machine is

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Chris Tyler
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 14:29 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. Is there any safe way of doing this while the

thunderbird 3.0 filters and tagging

2010-02-16 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Does anyone use a combination of filters to tag messages? I attempted to set one up today, but it doesn't tag the messages I created filters for. I wanted to see if I was missing something before filing a bug. Thanks, Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread Michael Cronenworth
inode0 wrote: It if were brand new they could do whatever they pleased to create it. But it isn't brand new. And it isn't just two businesses who can tell their paid staff what to work on tomorrow. How long has MeeGo be around for? Does Fedora bicker over which shell it wants? Does Red Hat

Re: thunderbird 3.0 filters and tagging

2010-02-16 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Mikkel wrote: Could you give us a better idea of what you are trying to do? It may be that you are going about it the wrong way. For example, I have one filter rule that requires that the message pass 2 tests, and then has two actions preformed on it. One is to tag the message, and the other

Re: weird F12 printing problem

2010-02-16 Thread Mikkel
On 02/16/2010 09:10 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 14:01 +1030, Tim wrote: No, that's not how such network printers work. They are their own network device, their own print server. They don't need to have a host computer. They don't have to but they should to avoid

Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?

2010-02-16 Thread jack craig
Wow! i fired this email off when i got home last night and it stirred quite an exchange. however, a bit of background will show my reaction is not a knee-jerk on my part, just the culmination of a path turning sour. i used to work for danger before M$ bought it out. i enjoyed the mobile

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread inode0
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: inode0 wrote: It if were brand new they could do whatever they pleased to create it. But it isn't brand new. And it isn't just two businesses who can tell their paid staff what to work on tomorrow. How long has

/etc/pki certificate questions

2010-02-16 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
I wondered where I can find fedora information regarding the cert files placed in: /etc/pki directory. Apparently, there is tls/certs/localhost.pem and tls/private/localhost.key; are these two files required? I also noticed that installing certain servers such as sendmail, spamd, imap, ...

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread jack craig
On 02/16/2010 09:16 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, they are starting out the same but you should really Google or read through some recent (as of this month) posts by @nokia folk that i did! it was full of resentful/fearful n900 n800 users fearing orphanages for their Nokia hw.

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread Michael Cronenworth
jack craig wrote: i did! it was full of resentful/fearful n900 n800 users fearing orphanages for their Nokia hw. talking heads can blabber all the marketing speak they want, but its the end user/developer whose opinion matters to me... i am not putting my trust in Nokia. for that matter,

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread jack craig
HELL No! Trading one flakey vendor for a closed vendor is no plan. I am going to track down best practice for shoehorning fc11 to my netbook. FC is a known quantity (w/quality); one i have relied on with success for years. besides, they have these great user communities! ;) On 02/16/2010

Re: /etc/pki certificate questions

2010-02-16 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 18:18:11 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Does anyone recommend a very good site for dealing with the above issues? I don't know any comprehensive site. I usually look at the openssl manpages and google. I suggest you to try the free certs at CACert. Even if they are not

Re: [slightly OT] rpm Vs deb [Was: Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?]

2010-02-16 Thread inode0
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: inode0 wrote: But Fedora doesn't bicker about this. Red Hat doesn't mandate this. Fedora as a community makes the decision. So why are we discussing it at all? Having transparent governance and community decision

Re: /etc/pki certificate questions

2010-02-16 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Does anyone recommend a very good site for dealing with the above issues? A site is not really required. It can be covered in one email. I suggest creating a CA for yourself and then creating certs against that CA. It will make updating your certs easier (unless you

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Chris Tyler wrote: I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. If your / filesystem is on a logical volume, which is the default for F12

F12: Missing clamd-wrapper clamav-milter in /etc/init.d?

2010-02-16 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Seems that I am not getting the init scripts for clamd/clamav-milters. Here is what I have installed: # rpm -qa| grep clam clamav-0.95.3-1200.fc12.i686 clamav-data-0.95.3-1200.fc12.noarch exim-clamav-4.69-17.fc12.i686 clamav-milter-upstart-0.95.3-1200.fc12.noarch

Re: F12: Missing clamd-wrapper clamav-milter in /etc/init.d?

2010-02-16 Thread Todd Zullinger
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Seems that I am not getting the init scripts for clamd/clamav-milters. Here is what I have installed: # rpm -qa| grep clam clamav-0.95.3-1200.fc12.i686 clamav-data-0.95.3-1200.fc12.noarch exim-clamav-4.69-17.fc12.i686 clamav-milter-upstart-0.95.3-1200.fc12.noarch

Re: radeon driver / fc12 / ati hd 4770

2010-02-16 Thread psmith
On 10/02/10 19:21, gary artim wrote: fyi, i just went over to the 2 machine and talked with the users of them. they showed me that within konquerer and kconsole the fonts get funky graphics, like the character set is set incorrectly. But not consistent at all. Moves around to different parts

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread g
Chris Tyler wrote: I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. snip But unfortunately these are not LVM partitions, as I should have said. to be

Re: radeon driver / fc12 / ati hd 4770

2010-02-16 Thread gary artim
yes I did try them, same results. g On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM, psmith psm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 10/02/10 19:21, gary artim wrote: fyi, i just went over to the 2 machine and talked with the users of them. they showed me that within konquerer and kconsole the fonts get funky

Convert MS Windows XPM file to run under Qemu-KVM?

2010-02-16 Thread KC8LDO
I was thinking about the possibility of converting the Micro$oft XPM VM free file download to run on qemu-kvm. After doing some research on Google it looks like there maybe a way to convert their VM to run if the right tools can be found and downloaded. Anybody else thought about this or tried

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 02/16/2010 07:49 PM, g wrote: Chris Tyler wrote: I want to move the / partition on a (very ancient) Fedora-12 desktop from one SCSI disk to another (/dev/sdb3 to /dev/sda6), because the second disk is showing some signs of sickness. snip But unfortunately these are not LVM partitions, as

Re: How to move my / partition

2010-02-16 Thread g
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: No, grub has an info page: info grub this is true. i am 'old school' and keep forgetting about 'info'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. **

Leading number in package names when updating with yum

2010-02-16 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi all, can somebody explain what the leading number in some package names means when running yum update, for example Feb 17 07:25:19 Updated: 1:openoffice.org-calc-3.1.1-19.26.fc12.i686 ^^ After having updated, no such pkg has been installed. Regards Joachim