upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Rafnews
Hi, before posting on this forum, i checked on internet for this issue and found several cause and solutions. i tried several of them but till now none of them worked. when i try to update fedora 19 to fedora 20 (/fedup --network 20/) i get the following error message: /finding updates

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:40:35 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: ctly how they get it during installation itself. Why put a feature in the GUI installer to add a user to /etc/aliases for getting system mail messages when there isn't an MTA? Since the MTA will need to be

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:02:41 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: therefore what is wrong ? thx. Problem is not a Fedora problem RPMfusion problem fedup --network 20 --disablerepo=rpmfusion* ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Dave Cross
A couple of weeks ago, I posted a really happy email about how well the upgrade from F19 to F20 had gone on my laptop. Now, I'm not so happy. There are two problems that are close to being deal-breakers for me. 1/ The laptop doesn't wake from suspension I close my laptop and it goes to sleep.

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

2014-01-02 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 02.01.2014 00:08, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 11:52:04PM +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: On 01.01.2014 20:57, Suvayu Ali wrote: Now my questions: 1. How can I filter messages printed to the logs from my cron jobs? I will try to explain by example: $ journalctl

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I realise that I haven't given you enough to go on here, but these kinds of problems are well outside my Linux experience. Tell me what diagnostics will we helpful and I'll provide them. It would be worth reporting this kind

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Sjoerd Mullender
On 2014-01-02 10:25, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:02:41 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: therefore what is wrong ? thx. Problem is not a Fedora problem It *is* a fedora problem in the sense that the OP is using Fedora. Sure, it's *also* an RPMfusion problem in that

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:10:24 +0100 Sjoerd Mullender sjo...@acm.org wrote: It *is* a fedora problem in the sense that the OP is using Fedora. Sure, it's *also* an RPMfusion problem in that it causes a problem in the upgrade process (and as such, it should not be reported to the Fedora

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: 2. I would like to filter logs that typically go into /var/log/secure (or other

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Dave Cross
On 2 January 2014 09:51, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I realise that I haven't given you enough to go on here, but these kinds of problems are well outside my Linux experience. Tell me what diagnostics

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:29:49AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:10:24 +0100 Sjoerd Mullender sjo...@acm.org wrote: It *is* a fedora problem in the sense that the OP is using Fedora. Sure, it's *also* an RPMfusion problem in that it causes a problem in the upgrade

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:36:43AM +, Dave Cross wrote: On 2 January 2014 09:51, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I realise that I haven't given you enough to go on here, but these kinds of problems

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:33:18 +0100 Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: We look forward to hear your feedback and kindly ask you to use bugzilla to report any issues found. How does it handle yum plugins?, I use yum (updateonboot) --security on all daily reboot boxes. # + all other

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:42:17 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: In the least, there could be a section in the FAQ, or release notes to deal with these kind of community repo out-of-sync problems. Confession: I did not check if such information exists; if it does, the OP can

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 01/02/2014 11:45 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:33:18 +0100 Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: We look forward to hear your feedback and kindly ask you to use bugzilla to report any issues found. How does it handle yum plugins?, I use yum (updateonboot) --security

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:42:17 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:29:49AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:10:24 +0100 Sjoerd Mullender sjo...@acm.org wrote: It *is* a fedora problem in the sense that the OP is using Fedora.

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ales Kozumplik
A question, I found the following on http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/cli_vs_yum.html dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel In Yum, the running kernel is spared. There is no reason to keep this in DNF, the user can always specify concrete versions on the command line, e.g.: dnf

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Chris, On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:55:46PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: More to the point, I find it counter productive to _remove_ important debugging resources/tools irrespective of the technical proficiency

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:07:14AM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Spool mail can be read by mutt, Thunderbird, and probably other mail clients. What is needed is an easy way to get the mail to a suitable user. That is where my proposal comes in. Spool mail is a regular mbox, all email

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:50:56 +0100 Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: we won't support Yum plugins directly but will support a plugin mechanism and will actively help with porting the plugins. If there are specific plugins you'd like to see sooner please open bugs for them.

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Frank, On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:48:21AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:42:17 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: In the least, there could be a section in the FAQ, or release notes to deal with these kind of community repo out-of-sync problems.

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Dave Cross
On 2 January 2014 10:44, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:36:43AM +, Dave Cross wrote: On 2 January 2014 09:51, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I realise that I

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:00:57 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. I guess that solves the OPs problem. That said, I never understand why the yum upgrade path is never recommended. In all these years of using the dvd, preupgrade, fedup, I have never found a more

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Paweł Sikora
On Thursday 02 of January 2014 09:26:32 Dave Cross wrote: A couple of weeks ago, I posted a really happy email about how well the upgrade from F19 to F20 had gone on my laptop. Now, I'm not so happy. There are two problems that are close to being deal-breakers for me. 1/ The laptop doesn't

Re: upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 issue with GPG key

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 11:04:27AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:00:57 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. I guess that solves the OPs problem. That said, I never understand why the yum upgrade path is never recommended. In all these

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/02/2014 11:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: A question, I found the following on http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/cli_vs_yum.html dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel In Yum, the running kernel is spared. There is no reason to keep this in DNF, the user can always specify

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:57:38 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: 1. If your journal size is large, piping to grep is quite a bit slow. http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-journald.service.html SIGUSR2 ## crontab -e weekly rotate (or your preference), help

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/01/2014 05:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Hi there: I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between suspend and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when folding the computer up. Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page. man

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/01/2014 06:22 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com mailto:ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 01/02/14 06:09, Richard Vickery wrote: I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between suspend and

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 01/02/2014 12:13 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: The kernel is a master piece of a package which must be allowed to be installed in multiple instances and of which at least the running instance must not be removed under any circumstances. Thanks Ralf. Just to clarify: DNF supports multiple

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 01/02/2014 11:58 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:50:56 +0100 Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: we won't support Yum plugins directly but will support a plugin mechanism and will actively help with porting the plugins. If there are specific plugins you'd like to see

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: man pm-hibernate Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. man -k hibernate poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: yes that's the idea. In practice however, a user doesn't type 'dnf erase -y kernel' by accident and we don't feel the need to protect users who really know what they are doing from doing so. It's the same situation as

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 11:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: yes that's the idea. In practice however, a user doesn't type 'dnf erase -y kernel' by accident and we don't feel the need to protect users who really know what they are doing from doing so. I would urge you to reconsider this given the importance

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 12:01:09PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote: yes that's the idea. In practice however, a user doesn't type 'dnf erase -y kernel' by accident and we don't feel the need to protect users who

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 13:15:22 +0100 Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any scenario where removing all kernels would make sense? writing malware :) ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

NetworkManager

2014-01-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
What has happened to Network Management Settings in recent versions of NM? Right clicking on the NM icon (in Fedora-20/KDE) brings up an unintelligible (to me) window with 4 arrows whose function I do not understand. Also NM is bringing up small activation/deactivation windows that seem to

Re: systemd-journald, was: Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 04:33 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: rsyslog pulls data directly from journal files, so the source data is identical. What's different is how journalctl displays it compared to the message file rsyslog produces from the same journal file. I think this might be more a feature request of

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ales Kozumplik wrote: On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Yum works perfectly well, in my experience. The problems you discuss are never met by the

Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

2014-01-02 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said*I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails*before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters before your filters. So, you dont know what is filtered (as you dont receive it), wether it's

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 04:40 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Why put a feature in the GUI installer to add a user to /etc/aliases for getting system mail messages when there isn't an MTA? Since the MTA will need to be installed, edit /etc/aliases at that time? This seems to add complexity for minimal value. My

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/01/2014 08:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: HI Joe Zeff wrote: Unless things have changed since the last time I installed Fedora, firstboot is set to run the first time you boot after the installation, and that's where you're prompted to create your first non-root user I don't know

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/01/2014 09:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: HI On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Richard Vickery Ah! Thanks! I might find hibernate on my own: why would a user use this command rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to look for the memory?

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/01/2014 09:39 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 02:25:01AM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 01/02/2014 02:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes but non technical users wouldn't care to navigate the UI you are proposing either. The entire proposal only satisfies a very small

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Jan Zelený
On 2. 1. 2014 at 13:32:23, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ales Kozumplik wrote: On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Yum works perfectly well, in my

Re: Fedora 20 Problems on Dell XPS 41z

2014-01-02 Thread Dale Dellutri
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago, I posted a really happy email about how well the upgrade from F19 to F20 had gone on my laptop. Now, I'm not so happy. There are two problems that are close to being deal-breakers for me. ... 2/ Wifi

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/02/2014 04:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:40:35 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: ctly how they get it during installation itself. Why put a feature in the GUI installer to add a user to /etc/aliases for getting system mail messages when there isn't an

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/02/2014 06:58 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: man pm-hibernate Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. man -k hibernate So now I have to man man to

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/02/2014 06:58 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: man pm-hibernate Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. man -k hibernate BTW, I had to do a find on

Re: failed to ..

2014-01-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/2013 12:20 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: THere was a bug in libselinux which is now fixed, that was causing the problem. Right, but I thought that the bug caused the

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Markku Kolkka
2.1.2014 14:15, Suvayu Ali kirjoitti: Is there any scenario where removing all kernels would make sense? If you are running a custom kernel compiled from a tarball, removing all kernel RPM packages may make sense. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kol...@iki.fi -- users mailing list

Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 15:32:49 +0300 Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said*I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails*before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters

Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

2014-01-02 Thread David
On 1/2/2014 7:32 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 01/02/2014 12:12 AM, David wrote: Good luck and have fun. Like I said *I* started with Gmail. That filters the emails *before* they get downloaded to my email client. Yes but GMail *also* filters before your filters. So, you dont know

Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

2014-01-02 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, David wrote: The emails marked as spam by Gmail are stored in the 'spam folder' aces sable from your account Can you assume Google stores *all* the messages your are recipient in the SPAM folder? With 0 messages discarded? I wouldn't. -- users mailing list

Re: Reverse E-Mail Blockage.....

2014-01-02 Thread David
On 1/2/2014 9:36 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, David wrote: The emails marked as spam by Gmail are stored in the 'spam folder' aces sable from your account Can you assume Google stores *all* the messages your are recipient in the SPAM folder? With 0 messages

is cronie-anacron a package requirement for cronie or not?

2014-01-02 Thread Robert P. J. Day
slowly getting back to speed on my fedora stuff and i'm a bit puzzled about the dependency relationship between the packages cronie and cronie-anacron. predictably, cronie-anacron requires cronie, that part's easy. however, if i check to see what requires cronie-anacron on my fedora 20

Re: is cronie-anacron a package requirement for cronie or not?

2014-01-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:25:33 -0500, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: predictably, cronie-anacron requires cronie, that part's easy. however, if i check to see what requires cronie-anacron on my fedora 20 system, i see: # rpm -q --whatrequires cronie-anacron no package

related question -- how do i interpret the cronie dailyjobs dependency?

2014-01-02 Thread Robert P. J. Day
sorry, i should have added this to the previous question -- when i check the dependencies of the cronie package on fedora 20, i see: # rpm -qR cronie /bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh config(cronie) = 1.4.11-4.fc20 coreutils dailyjobs ... snip ... first, if i want to see what that

Re: fedup and selinux

2014-01-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I blogged on SELinux blocking stuff in permissive mode. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/67855.html I think fedup putting the machine into permissive mode during the update is the sane thing to do, and since it should be doing this without services

Re: Why did SELinux relable my filesystem?

2014-01-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/25/2013 06:25 AM, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: Hello, Everyone During my most recent re-boot, SELinux relabled my entire filesystem. Which would be fine, except for the fact that I have SELinux disabled on my system: # This file controls the

Re: is cronie-anacron a package requirement for cronie or not?

2014-01-02 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:25:33 -0500, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: predictably, cronie-anacron requires cronie, that part's easy. however, if i check to see what requires cronie-anacron on my fedora 20 system, i see: #

Re: related question -- how do i interpret the cronie dailyjobs dependency?

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:33:45 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: also, what is that dailyjobs entry? there's no such package and if i list verbosely, i get: Guessing here? /etc/crond.daily ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list

Re: related question -- how do i interpret the cronie dailyjobs dependency?

2014-01-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:52:20 + Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: duh http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=4435367 ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: related question -- how do i interpret the cronie dailyjobs dependency?

2014-01-02 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:33:45 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: also, what is that dailyjobs entry? there's no such package and if i list verbosely, i get: Guessing here? /etc/crond.daily oh, i knew it referred to the

Re: is cronie-anacron a package requirement for cronie or not?

2014-01-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:25:33 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day wrote: normally, i'd interpret that to mean that i can remove that package independently of anything else. I gave up trying to make anacron go away in any sensible fashion. I just use a big hammer to clobber all the files involved and

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

2014-01-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2013 08:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/30/2013 08:03 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2013, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote: In linux, is it possible

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

2014-01-02 Thread Steve Searle
Around 12:43am on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 (UK time), Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Conclusion: better look for some other way to cover your tracks, and note that a forensic investigation can be carried out without having you log in at all. Just to emphasise what Patrick says, if you boot

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

2014-01-02 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: 2. I would like

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread poma
On 02.01.2014 12:13, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 01/02/2014 11:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: A question, I found the following on http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/cli_vs_yum.html dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel In Yum, the running kernel is spared. There is no reason to keep

Re: F19: how to name interface, persistently

2014-01-02 Thread Sean Darcy
On 12/30/2013 11:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sean Darcy writes: On F19 how do I create persistent rules for ethernet interfaces? cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the

yum question

2014-01-02 Thread bruce
hey guys. i can do a yum list installed and i get a list of the installed packages for the local system. However, I have no idea where this data is coming from!!! is it coming from the /var/lib/rpm , /var//lib/yum/yumdb or perhaps somewhere else?? is there a switch I could use to change

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-02 Thread Bill Oliver
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: What has happened to Network Management Settings in recent versions of NM? Right clicking on the NM icon (in Fedora-20/KDE) brings up an unintelligible (to me) window with 4 arrows whose function I do not understand. Also NM is bringing up small

Auto login to instant messaging in Gnome

2014-01-02 Thread Peter Oliver
When I logged in to Fedora 19/Gnome 3.8 I was automatically connected to my instant messaging networks and received notifications from Gnome if I received a message. Now I've upgraded my laptop to Fedora 20/Gnome 3.10 I find that this does not happen. I only receive instant messages in this

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Steve Searle st...@stevesearle.com wrote: Around 12:43am on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 (UK time), Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Conclusion: better look for some other way to cover your tracks, and note that a forensic investigation can be carried out without

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

2014-01-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/02/2014 02:01 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 2. 1. 2014 at 13:32:23, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ales Kozumplik wrote: On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22.

Help with fc20 NIC power?

2014-01-02 Thread William Murray
Hi all, F20 installed, all seems nice - except the power. I am using 'powertop' which reports 19W on virbr and 13 on wlp3s0. A full battery last 40mins, c/f 4 hrs on FC19. My interfaces look like this: lo: flags=73UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:54 AM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: You misunderstood me. I was questioning the decision to remove an MTA on a default install. The missing debuging resource/tool in this case is system mail, not journalctl. There is no deficiency in omitting the

upgrade to F19: now dhcpd works then fails

2014-01-02 Thread Sean Darcy
Just upgraded from 18 19. dhcpd works, for a while and then stops recognizing DCHP requests. On restart, it works again. Here I start tailing /var/log/messages: Jan 2 11:57:00 new-gateway systemd-logind[316]: New session 6 of user root. No dhcp log messages. But tcpdump shows lots received:

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

2014-01-02 Thread Steve Searle
Around 06:12pm on Thursday, January 02, 2014 (UK time), Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Steve Searle st...@stevesearle.com wrote: Not on Fedora 20 at least, and I think since even Fedora 19, if you use single boot param you startup to rescue.target. It asks for a root

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:30:53 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: There is no deficiency in omitting the installation of something that does nothing by default. To gain functionality from sendmail required the user configure it. Nonsense, both sendmail and postfix make most mail delivery work as

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 07:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: There is no deficiency in omitting the installation of something that does nothing by default. To gain functionality from sendmail required the user configure it. It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process doing

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

2014-01-02 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 2, 2014 11:12 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Steve Searle st...@stevesearle.com wrote: Around 12:43am on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 (UK time), Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Conclusion: better look for some other way to cover your tracks,

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/02/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:54 AM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: You misunderstood me. I was questioning the decision to remove an MTA on a default install. The missing debuging resource/tool in this case is system mail, not journalctl.

Rhythmbox usage questions

2014-01-02 Thread Alex
Hi, I've used rhythmbox in the past, but I'm confused with it on GNOME on fc20. How do I import a single song? Is it only possible to import an entire directory, then scroll through the thousands of music files to find the one specific one I want? I could of course move it to an isolated

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 13:40 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:30:53 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: There is no deficiency in omitting the installation of something that does nothing by default. To gain functionality from sendmail required the user configure it. Nonsense,

F20 weirdness while tweaking new install

2014-01-02 Thread Tom Horsley
I can't reproduce any of these, but I thought I'd go ahead and report them just in case they can be correlated with other reports: 1. I copied all my virtual machine config files from the old /etc/libvirt/qemu to the new /etc/libvirt/qemu, then did a systemctl restart libvirtd.service and the

Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

2014-01-02 Thread Hunter Jozwiak
Hey folks, Does Fedora have an equivallent to Wubi? My laptop doesn't have the horsepower to run it yet, and I don't really want to fiddle with partitioning yet. Thanks, Hunter -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/02/2014 04:40 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: be exposed in GUI, to me it sounds like an edge case request. Important mail to/from root is not an edge case. So important that by default root isn't informed of these

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

2014-01-02 Thread Steven Stern
On 01/02/2014 12:52 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: Hey folks, Does Fedora have an equivallent to Wubi? My laptop doesn't have the horsepower to run it yet, and I don't really want to fiddle with partitioning yet. Thanks, Hunter Live CD? -- -- Steve -- users mailing list

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:24:09PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: ...snip.. I wish there were an alternative to NM which worked as well as the old Windows Connect to. Wicd ...snip... -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: ... Important mail to/from root is not an edge case. So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages? Huh? With sendmail I was not informed of any such

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/02/2014 07:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: There is no deficiency in omitting the installation of something that does nothing by default. To gain functionality from sendmail required the user configure it. It delivers

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

2014-01-02 Thread Simon Hoare
Wubi has been stopped on the Ubuntu side. LiveCD or a virtual machine are your best bets. Having said that, if your laptop isn't up to it on the bare metal, virtualisation or livecd are not going to impress you much. 2014/1/2 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com On 01/02/2014 12:52 PM,

Re: F20 weirdness while tweaking new install

2014-01-02 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On 01/02/2014 02:50 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: 1. I copied all my virtual machine config files from the old /etc/libvirt/qemu to the new /etc/libvirt/qemu, then did a systemctl restart libvirtd.service and the gnome 3 shell immediately stopped talking, waited a few minutes, then died with

high CPU use by bijiben-shell-search-provider after returning from Activities

2014-01-02 Thread Andre Robatino
On F20, frequently, after returning from Activities, I see bijiben-shell-search-provider using near 100% CPU, and I have to kill it (-TERM suffices). I am using the nvidia driver, not nouveau. Has anyone else seen this? Something similar happens if I try to launch quadrapassel, it also uses near

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

2014-01-02 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/02/2014 02:09 PM, Simon Hoare wrote: Wubi has been stopped on the Ubuntu side. LiveCD or a virtual machine are your best bets. Having said that, if your laptop isn't up to it on the bare metal, virtualisation or livecd are not going to impress you much. 2014/1/2 Steven Stern

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-02 Thread poma
On 02.01.2014 19:59, Robert Holtzman wrote: Wicd What is the status of this project? https://answers.launchpad.net/wicd/+question/227789 poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process doing nothing. I've never seen it do anything since I started using Fedora, except cause longer boot

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: ... Important mail to/from root is not an edge case. So important that by default root isn't informed of

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-02 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 2, 2014 12:26 PM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process doing nothing. I've never seen it

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