Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Rick Walker
OK. Can we make journald have another configurable option? If it were possible to simulate this this: echo Problem in the pit, Boss | mail my_foreman With something like echo Problem in the pit, Boss | sendtojournald -also_mail my_foreman Then you'd be able to get the people who

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:30:36 -0800 Rick Walker wal...@omnisterra.com wrote: echo Problem in the pit, Boss | sendtojournald -also_mail my_foreman Journalctl emails me problem, warning, error, DEAD. a 10 min cronjob setup, no problem no mail ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com --

Re: high CPU use by bijiben-shell-search-provider after returning from Activities

2014-01-04 Thread bitlord
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 19:19 +, Andre Robatino wrote: On F20, frequently, after returning from Activities, I see bijiben-shell-search-provider using near 100% CPU, and I have to kill it (-TERM suffices). I am using the nvidia driver, not nouveau. Has anyone else seen this? Something similar

export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Frank Murphy
1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:24:36AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp Depends on what you want to do. If you want to overwrite the variable, use (1). If you want to add (prepend) to the variable, use (2). Hope this helps, -- Suvayu Open

crond.service restart=always

2014-01-04 Thread Frank Murphy
Very occasionally crond fails # for whatever reason, Restart=always # kills it due to restart too fast What would be considered a suitable wait period before restarting? http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html RestartSec= Configures the time to sleep before

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Marko Vojinovic wrote: Where is the GUI configuration? Just to help out Ed's explanation --- you seem to be confusing the GUI for the NetworkManager and the GUI for the configuration of the GUI of NM. It certainly sounds very confusing. As for the NM GUI itself (the thing that pops up in

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: Look at the very lower right of the screen where the status is being displayed from the systray. Nothing appears at the lower right of my screen. I am talking about the darn image I posted to google-drive.

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Tim
Frank Murphy: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp Suvayu Ali: Depends on what you want to do. If you want to overwrite the variable, use (1). If you want to add (prepend) to the variable, use (2). Wouldn't that actually be an append - add onto the end of the

Re: gnome 3 vs kde

2014-01-04 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 04 January 2014, Marko Vojinovic sent: And I would like to know which one would you eat and why --- chocolate or strawberry? Chocolate coated strawberry, of course. And because it's yummy. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying

Re: gnome 3 vs kde

2014-01-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:16:00 -0500 William Biggs williambigg...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know witch one would you use and why gnome 3 or kde ? Neither DE like beauty is in the Eyes of the Beerholder ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list

Re: suspend or hibernate

2014-01-04 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 03 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: Then the question is: How do you boot up from suspend - is there a special way to boot up after this command to continue working with the data? Are you asking if I'm doing it wrong, or generally asking how to wake up the computer?

Re: F20 NetworkManager bridged br0 firewalld dhcp not getting through?

2014-01-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/04/2014 02:53 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Now my first thought is that it makes total sense this does not work because clearly firewalld, systemctl and journalctl were forged in Mount You could perhaps try to remove firewalld, or disable it, and run iptables with iptables.service that

Re: F20 NetworkManager bridged br0 firewalld dhcp not getting through?

2014-01-04 Thread Patrick Lists
On 01/04/2014 01:56 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 01/04/2014 02:53 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Now my first thought is that it makes total sense this does not work because clearly firewalld, systemctl and journalctl were forged in Mount You could perhaps try to remove firewalld, or disable

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/04/2014 03:13 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we have these other future notification mechanisms ready? *Exactly*

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/04/14 20:04, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Look at the very lower right of the screen where the status is being displayed from the systray. Nothing appears at the lower right of my screen. I am talking about the darn image I posted to google-drive.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/04/2014 02:59 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we have these other future notification mechanisms ready? 1. Most people weren't using it. How do you know that? The functionality is there, you not knowing about it is no reason

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/04/2014 02:54 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Maybe. But at least as often or more, it's just becoming decrepit. It refuses to learn new tricks. It doesn't want to learn to write to a journal or use SNMP or Gnome desktop notification services, or anything other than emails that 9 out of 10

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 10:37:48PM +1030, Tim wrote: Frank Murphy: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp Suvayu Ali: Depends on what you want to do. If you want to overwrite the variable, use (1). If you want to add (prepend) to the variable, use (2).

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 04:08:17PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 10:37:48PM +1030, Tim wrote: Frank Murphy: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp Suvayu Ali: Depends on what you want to do. If you want to overwrite the variable, use

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 03:51:02PM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 04:08:17PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 10:37:48PM +1030, Tim wrote: Frank Murphy: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp 2: export TMPDIR=$TMPDIR:/var/tmp Suvayu Ali: Depends

fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Rafnews
Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the result is always the same... after upgrading the virtual machine turns into a black/blank screen and nothing can be done. it

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 05:42:37PM +0100, Rafnews wrote: Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the result is always the same... after upgrading the virtual

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: All I get is Active connections and my current connection. I do not see any other access points, which iwlist scan show are there. Do you have a line showing Unknown Connections? If so, is there a + to the left of Unknown? Clicking on the + will alternately

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Rafnews
On 04.01.2014 18:34, Fred Smith wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 05:42:37PM +0100, Rafnews wrote: Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the result is always

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: On 04.01.2014 18:34, Fred Smith wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 05:42:37PM +0100, Rafnews wrote: Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the result is always the same... after upgrading the virtual

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: 5. do a fedup --network 20 6. reboot after upgrade 7. == after booting via grub2, your virtual machine with turn into a blank screen :( Is there a step missing here between 5 and 6? After you do fedup, it downloads some files

avoiding renaming of the wlan0 device

2014-01-04 Thread Kevin Wilson
I have fedora 20, and when I connect a wireless usb nic, I get this messages: Jan 4 21:33:08 localhost kernel: [ 273.797184] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00_set_chip: Info - Chipset detected - rt: 2573, rf: 0002, rev: 000a Jan 4 21:33:09 localhost kernel: [ 273.893135] usbcore: registered new

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: It may be a stupid suggestion: fedup-cli --network 20 as opposed to fedup --network 20 fedup is the program, and fedup-cli is a link to fedup. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Rafnews
On 04.01.2014 20:51, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com mailto:raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: 5. do a fedup --network 20 6. reboot after upgrade 7. == after booting via grub2, your virtual machine with turn into a blank screen :( Is there a step missing

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: no i didn't have any issue with this menu system-upgrade basically after upgrade i even access to grub2 menu and also i see the fedora logo filling up from empty to white and at the end to shine and turn into colored fedora

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Rafnews
On 04.01.2014 20:48, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after several days of testing upgrading Fedora 19 to fedora 20, i face the same issue. whatever Virtual machine i use (Virtualbox or VMware Workstation) the result is always the

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: so here is the result... i replace the rhgb quiet by nomodeset and all the booting steps were displayed. and the virtual machine shutdown automatically :( the second time i changed the rhgb quiet by nomodeset i got the

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:24 PM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: This is as close as I can get to the end of this discussion since I get the digest so it will have to do. I've seen you claim over and over that no one uses e-mail for system notifications. It's hyperbole for me to say

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Joel Gomberg
On 01/04/2014 11:54 AM, Rafnews wrote: On 04.01.2014 20:51, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com mailto:raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: no i didn't have any issue with this menu system-upgrade basically after upgrade i even access to grub2 menu and also i

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-04 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 04Jan2014 17:09, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 03:51:02PM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 04:08:17PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 10:37:48PM +1030, Tim wrote: Frank Murphy: 1: export TMPDIR=/var/tmp

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Andre Robatino
Chris Murphy lists at colorremedies.com writes: Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS with a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO, and netinst media. That is the primary Fedora deliverable and experience. It is simply inappropriate for such

Change to semantics of display power management

2014-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
This appears to have happened recently, but just when I can't say. Is it a bug or a feature? Settings-Screensaver-Advanced-Display Power Management-Standby After When Standby is activated, in addition to blanking the screen the code now (this is new) reduces the power draw without actually

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:45:34 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS with a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO, and netinst media. That is the primary Fedora deliverable and experience. By

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'd really like to be able to get smartd notifications, in GNOME, without having to configure an MTA at all. Hmmm… http://gnomeshell.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/manage-the-startup-applications/ This shows Disk

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:45:34 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS with a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO, and

Stale /var/run/nologin

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
About ten hours after a reboot, a chance attempt to log in back to the server was rather rudely rejected with a: System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8) Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 A quick run back to the console revealed the existence of a ten hour old /var/run/nologin file as the

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:09:56 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: i replace the rhgb quiet by nomodeset and all the booting steps were displayed. and the virtual machine shutdown automatically :( the second time i changed the rhgb quiet by nomodeset i got the following error message:

Re: Stale /var/run/nologin

2014-01-04 Thread Steven Ulrick
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: About ten hours after a reboot, a chance attempt to log in back to the server was rather rudely rejected with a: System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8) Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 A quick run back to the

Re: NetworkManager

2014-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/14 02:09, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: All I get is Active connections and my current connection. I do not see any other access points, which iwlist scan show are there. Do you have a line showing Unknown Connections? If so, is there a + to the left of Unknown?

Re: Stale /var/run/nologin

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Steven Ulrick writes: On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Sam Varshavchik URL:mailto:mrsam@courier- mta.commr...@courier-mta.com wrote: About ten hours after a reboot, a chance attempt to log in back to the server was rather rudely rejected with a: System is booting up. See pam_nologin(8)

F20: missing font (for emacs use)

2014-01-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hello, I usually use the fixed font 10x20 with emacs (before F20) but my F20 installation seems to be missing it. (Not sure why, but no doubt the package containing it is not installed.) Where is this font and additionally, as a learning experience, how would I find the package supplying it(on my

SOLVED: RE: F20: missing font (for emacs use)

2014-01-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Sorry to answer my own post, but I found the answer (just occurred to me to try something): sudo yum provides */10x20\* from where I got the idea: sudo yum install xorg-x11-fonts-misc-7.5-9.fc20.noarch and this solved the problem! Hope the post did not waste anyone's time! Thanks! Ranjan

Re: SOLVED: RE: F20: missing font (for emacs use)

2014-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2014 09:56 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: sudo yum provides */10x20\* I presume that you meant to type \*10x20\* -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: