Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 01:12:40 + Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: I've used Fedora for as long as it exists, and I've never seen anyone actually use NFS in real life scenarios on a typical desktop machine with a GUI. That's also got to be in the 99% of cases... I use nfs from Windows

unattended install using kickstart/http

2014-01-05 Thread bruce
Hi, Looking to create a test process to be able to do unattended installs to a machine based on kickstart/http process. As I go through this, I'm looking to be able to talk to/exchange kickstart files, as well as thoughts/information on putting this together, wiht someone. Anyone interested in

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/04/2014 03:13 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we have these other future notification mechanisms ready? *Exactly*

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/05/2014 02:27 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: I suspect it's used a ton more than an MTA. I enable sshd on all of my Macs and Fedora installs as one of the first things done. MTA? Never. Not configured even one time in 24 years. Do you have any numbers on that (MTA vs. sshd)? So sshd should

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/05/2014 09:25 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: I use nfs from Windows 8.1 to Fedora (filestore\backup etc..) As well as between Fedora Boxes Have you tried sshfs? We moved to that at work years ago (to share between Linux boxes, but windows applications for sshfs also exist). Lars -- Lars E.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/04/2014 09:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:24 PM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: This is as close as I can get to the end of this discussion since I get the digest so it will have to do. I've seen you claim over and over that no one uses e-mail for system

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:19:52 +0100 Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote: Have you tried sshfs? No, We moved to that at work years ago (to share between Linux boxes, but windows applications for sshfs also exist). Lars Will give it a test http://linhost.info/2012/09/sshfs-in-windows/

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:40:59 +1100 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Just overwrite it, or programs will be trying to use directories named /tmp:/var/tmp or the like. Took your advise, /etc/profile.d/my_profile put what I need in there. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users

Re: gnome 3 vs kde

2014-01-05 Thread Ian Chapman
On 04/01/14 10:16, William Biggs wrote: I would like to know witch one would you use and why gnome 3 or kde ? If I had to choose only between the two, it would be KDE. I find 'Gnome 3' practically unusable. For me though, I'm a cinnamon desktop convert. -- Ian Chapman. -- users mailing

/etc/cron.daily as user

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Have the following as I want anacron to do the buisness #!/bin/bash # Bleachbit as user USER=user /usr/bin/bleachbit --preset -c But is still wants to clobber root jetsam I'd prefer not to do user crontab -e //* being fussy on a wet Sunday * morning. */ ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Rafnews
On 05.01.2014 02:37, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:09:56 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: i replace the rhgb quiet by nomodeset and all the booting steps were displayed. and the virtual machine shutdown automatically :( the second time i changed the rhgb quiet by

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/14 20:45, Rafnews wrote: On 05.01.2014 02:37, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:09:56 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: i replace the rhgb quiet by nomodeset and all the booting steps were displayed. and the virtual machine shutdown automatically :( the second

removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread David Shwatrz
Hello, I have F20 with both yum and dnf. Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? will it cause any problems ? regards. David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code

Re: removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/05/2014 02:42 PM, David Shwatrz wrote: Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? will it cause any problems ? If you upgrade from F19 to F20 dnf will not be installed, so I see no harm in removing it from F20. yum is the main tool to use, dnf is installed to be tested. Lars --

Re: removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:42:02 +0200 David Shwatrz dshwa...@gmail.com wrote: Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? will it cause any problems ? regards. David No, though you can safely keep both installed. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list

Re: removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/05/2014 02:42 PM, David Shwatrz wrote: Hello, I have F20 with both yum and dnf. Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? Yes, from yum's and rpm's perspective, dnf is just an arbitrary package like any other. will it cause any problems ? Except that removing dnf doesn't cleanup

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2014-01-05 Thread JUSTIN TAYLOR
I'm currently running Fedora 17, and I tried to use fedup to upgrade to 20.   My PC has three HDD's.  One has the OS, one has the swap partition and home dir's, and the last doesn't have a Linux partition. After running fedup and restarting, GRUB comes up with the default option of System

Re: SOLVED: RE: F20: missing font (for emacs use)

2014-01-05 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 23:51:12 -0800 Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 01/04/2014 09:56 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: sudo yum provides */10x20\* I presume that you meant to type \*10x20\* No. The first */ is to ensure all paths. Though I guess I could have also used sudo yum provides */\*10x20\*

Re:

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 06:16:11 -0800 (PST) JUSTIN TAYLOR jus...@swbell.net wrote: I'm currently running Fedora 17, and I tried to use fedup to upgrade to 20.  My PC has three HDD's.  One has the OS, one has the swap partition and home dir's, and the last doesn't have a Linux partition. You

Re: Fedup F17 -- F20

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:22:35 + Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: You can't use fedup to go from F17 -- F20 in one go. You would need to go to F18 first then maybe F20 Actually fedup want' available for F17, preupgrade was the method. fedup was fro F18+ ___ Regards, Frank

Re: Fedup F17 -- F20

2014-01-05 Thread JUSTIN TAYLOR
Sorry about leaving off the subject...  I had a brain fart I guess. So F17 doesn't support fedup huh?  A little odd since yum installed it for me.  But no matter,  I'll download an F18 ISO when I get the chance. Thank you very much! From: Frank Murphy

F20/Windows 7 Dual Boot Problem

2014-01-05 Thread Dave Cross
I've had my laptop set up for dual boot between Fedora and Windows 7 for a couple of years. Everything has worked fine. I updated from Fedora 19 to Fedora 20 using fedup recently. After that, I was still able to boot into Windows when I wanted to. But in the last couple of days, I've noticed

Fedora 20 - ssh keys

2014-01-05 Thread Dave Cross
I've installed Fedora 20 on a new desktop PC. I installed it from the Live DVD and have been installing other packages as and when I notice they are missing. But one thing has been really bugging me. Gnome isn't prompting me for my ssh key passphrase when I ssh to another machine. Instead I get a

complete unattended install process for FC/Centos

2014-01-05 Thread bruce
Hi. As a test, I want to have a complete remote/unattended install process for a box. The steps I'd like to have are: 1) ssh into the box, do a reboot. 2) the reboot process invokes an install process that installs the OS on the box 3) the install process uses http, to get the external

Re: complete unattended install process for FC/Centos

2014-01-05 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 5, 2014 9:21 AM, bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. As a test, I want to have a complete remote/unattended install process for a box. The steps I'd like to have are: 1) ssh into the box, do a reboot. 2) the reboot process invokes an install process that installs the OS on

ONLY VPN traffic on F20 wireless interface?

2014-01-05 Thread Steve Snyder
How can I ensure that in Fedora 20 my wireless interface is *only* used for VPN traffic? After the initial connection to the access point I want to guarantee that no traffic passes through the interface other than through the OpenVPN tunnel. Ideally, I'd like to be able to ensure this from

Re: avoiding renaming of the wlan0 device

2014-01-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:54:28PM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: I saw here: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2013-January/024231.html this suggestion: mask the rule: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules But I do not have

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 01:45:34PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS with a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO, and netinst media. That is the primary Fedora deliverable and experience. It is simply Well,

GCL get killed everytime I try to execute it

2014-01-05 Thread Isaac Cortés González
Ok here's my problem: I'm trying to learn (Common) Lisp, so I installed GCL, to compile or run the scripts that I'm making for practice; but I'm having problems to run GCL itself, each time I try to run it it get killed and I get an alert of SELinux, I try to solved by one of the solutions that it

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jan2014 10:22, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:40:59 +1100 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Just overwrite it, or programs will be trying to use directories named /tmp:/var/tmp or the like. Took your advise, /etc/profile.d/my_profile put what I

Fedora 20 + stunnel crashing

2014-01-05 Thread slamp slamp
Hello All, Anyone able to use stunnel successfully in Fedora 20? It has been working for me for awhile prior to upgrading. Stunnel starts up fine, but as soon as it is used, it crashes but no indication as to why. I really only use stunnel to interface my sendmail with my ISP, if there is a

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Rafnews
On 05.01.2014 14:17, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/05/14 20:45, Rafnews wrote: On 05.01.2014 02:37, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:09:56 +0100 Rafnews raf.n...@gmail.com wrote: i replace the rhgb quiet by nomodeset and all the booting steps were displayed. and the virtual machine

Re: fedup experience for upgrading fedora 19 to fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/06/14 06:03, Rafnews wrote: Sorry i forgot the link for that info...here it is: http://prntscr.com/2gujs4 i wonder if i can reinstall the VMWare tools under to text console ... I would consult the documentation for VMware as well as the support their support groups. You may also want

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:43:54 +1100 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Your call, but curious to know why you're setting it for all users instead of just yourself. Cheers, Everone ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 01/05/2014 03:00 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 01/05/2014 02:42 PM, David Shwatrz wrote: Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? will it cause any problems ? If you upgrade from F19 to F20 dnf will not be installed, so I see no harm in removing it from F20. yum is the main

Re: Fedora 20 + stunnel crashing

2014-01-05 Thread slamp slamp
Fixed by adding fips = no to the stunnel config file. I don't remember what version was of stunnel I had before but apparently 4.56 enables it by default. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM, slamp slamp slack...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Anyone able to use stunnel successfully in Fedora 20? It

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: No. IMO, this is just a defect of RH/Fedora based and other Linux distros. They have not been able to provide a proper, out-of-the-box configuration. If they had done so, everybody was using it. So this long running

Re: removing dnf from fedora 20

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: On 01/05/2014 03:00 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 01/05/2014 02:42 PM, David Shwatrz wrote: Is it OK to remove dnf with yum remove dnf ? will it cause any problems ? If you upgrade from F19 to F20 dnf will not be

Can Win7 be run dual-boot and in a virtual machine?

2014-01-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
I have a machine with a dual-boot setup with Windows 7 Pro and Fedora 20. I wonder if it is possible these days to run the Win7 installation in a virtual machine using the raw disk and still be able to boot it on the bare metal when necessary. THe hardware is a Dell Latitude E6430 laptop, in

Re: Can Win7 be run dual-boot and in a virtual machine?

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu wrote: I have a machine with a dual-boot setup with Windows 7 Pro and Fedora 20. I wonder if it is possible these days to run the Win7 installation in a virtual machine using the raw disk and still be able to boot it on the bare

Re: Stale /var/run/nologin

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Marcan
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 22:35:12 -0500 Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: ... I yearn for the days of /etc/rc.d. If something strange was going on duri ng system boot, a carefully crafted grep inevitably digs up a bunch of scrip ts to sift through for the answers. Now, there's all

F20: Cisco vpn does not launch after a couple of wake-ups from hibernate

2014-01-05 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hello, I have been having a somewhat unusual problem after waking up from hibernate with the Cisco VPN client. This only happens with F20 -- it was fine till F19. Here is what happens: I switch on the Cisco vpnui using: /opt/cisco/anyconnect/bin/vpnui The window to connect comes on and

Re: GCL get killed everytime I try to execute it

2014-01-05 Thread Rex Dieter
Isaac Cortés González wrote: Ok here's my problem: I'm trying to learn (Common) Lisp, so I installed GCL, to compile or run the scripts that I'm making for practice; but I'm having problems to run GCL itself, each time I try to run it it get killed and I get an alert of SELinux, I try to

Re: Fedup F17 -- F20

2014-01-05 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 01/05/2014 10:01 AM, JUSTIN TAYLOR wrote: Sorry about leaving off the subject... I had a brain fart I guess. So F17 doesn't support fedup huh? A little odd since yum installed it for me. But no matter, I'll download an F18 ISO when I get the chance. Thank you very much!

Re: export which is correct syntax

2014-01-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jan2014 22:22, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:43:54 +1100 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: Your call, but curious to know why you're setting it for all users instead of just yourself. Everone Yes I know. I was wondering why. -- Cameron Simpson

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/05/2014 11:50 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: No. IMO, this is just a defect of RH/Fedora based and other Linux distros. They have not been able to provide a proper, out-of-the-box configuration. If they had done so,

Re: ONLY VPN traffic on F20 wireless interface?

2014-01-05 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-5-14 12:00:37 Steve Snyder wrote: How can I ensure that in Fedora 20 my wireless interface is *only* used for VPN traffic? After the initial connection to the access point I want to guarantee that no traffic passes through the interface other than through the OpenVPN tunnel. You want

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: In this light, replacing mail as notification mechanism is a substantial functional regression in generality of deployment. It's obviously a matter of opinion, not fact, as evidenced by the lack of universal agreement by

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

2014-01-05 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 01/06/2014 07:37 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: It's obviously a matter of opinion, not fact, as evidenced by the lack of universal agreement by fairly reasonable people. I think email is such amazing piles of steaming poo that my happiness is inversely proportional to the number/rate of emails