Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 14:12:55 -0800 Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/17/2017 01:17 PM, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: >>Dec 17 21:32:59 X systemd[1]: Mounting /data2... >>Dec 17 21:33:19 X mount[996]: mount to NFS server 'Y' failed: Resource >> temporarily unavailable, retrying >>Dec

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

> The simplest method is to move the .thunderbird folder onto the new drive and link to it from the system drive. The not-so-simple method is to copy out the particular folder and move it into .thunderbird. Or maybe to go into .thunderbird on the system drive and make a symlink *inside that

Re: LUKS question

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/18/2017 06:14 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> >>> Everything possible even on the / filesystem while the system runs >>> normally. >> >> >> All of what you describe is possible without LVM, too. > > > >

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

Gordon Messmer writes: On 12/18/2017 05:52 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Time IP addresses == 08:35:34 08:35:35 192.168.0.1 At 08:35:34 the server had no IP addresses Well, it probably had 127.0.0.1, which brings into question what the complete state of the network

Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:42:07 - " sixpack13" wrote: > Games is xskat. I installed this and tried to play. I had no idea what I was doing, but there were certainly no delays or dropouts. Every response was quick. This is not a game I'm going to pick up quickly, it

Re: LUKS question

On 12/18/2017 06:14 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Everything possible even on the / filesystem while the system runs normally. All of what you describe is possible without LVM, too. Including moving the filesystem while the system using it is live?  I'm not aware of a non-LVM way to do

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On 12/18/2017 05:52 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Time IP addresses == 08:35:34 08:35:35 192.168.0.1 At 08:35:34 the server had no IP addresses Well, it probably had 127.0.0.1, which brings into question what the complete state of the network was. Could you arrange

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On 12/17/2017 01:17 PM, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:49:39 -0800 Gordon Messmer wrote: In order to determine that, someone who can reproduce the problem needs to revert that specific change on their system. With that declaration in /etc/fstab: Y:/data2

Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

Thanks @stan for testing. top is without any hints. Games is xskat. anyone with an intel IGP (i915) who could test ? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:56:03 -0700 stan wrote: > Boot went to multi-threaded, and so > became non-deterministic, in order to shorten boot time. And that has saved oh so much time compared to the time every sysadmin has spent fighting with it :-). ___

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 09:56 -0700, stan wrote: > On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 07:19:02 -0500 > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > When we had initiscripts, I forget which one it was, but there was > > one that read all the config files, and enabled those interfaces. And > > stuff that

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

On 12/18/2017 12:13 PM, stan wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 06:23:13 -0500 Temlakos wrote: As I thought. Now may I also assume that you use the chown command to re-create the ownership and group-membership structure of each specific user directory in the new drive? And also

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 06:23:13 -0500 Temlakos wrote: > As I thought. Now may I also assume that you use the chown command to > re-create the ownership and group-membership structure of each > specific user directory in the new drive? And also use chmod to > re-create the

Re: F26 hangs or dies

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:49:47 +1030 Stephen Davies wrote: > I upgraded from F25 to F26 yesterday and ever since have been seeing > the system frequently become totally unresponsive. [snip] > The only clue that I have seen is that top often shows very high wait > I/O levels and

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 07:19:02 -0500 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > When we had initiscripts, I forget which one it was, but there was > one that read all the config files, and enabled those interfaces. And > stuff that depended on the network being up ran after that. Simple. >

Re: fc26 immediate kernel panic on reboot to 4.14.5-200 - subject updated

On 18/12/17 10:20, John Pilkington wrote: On 16/12/17 18:10, John Pilkington wrote: On 13/12/17 11:57, John Pilkington wrote: software-updates just upgraded 82 packages.  On reboot, immediate kernel panic. 4.13.16-202 is running ok. yumex-dnf shows two instances of the new kernel packages

Re: LUKS question

On 12/15/2017 10:13 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: This is the kind of things LVM makes easy. Extend your VG to an additional disk (USB), move your LV there, remove your PV, turn it into encrypted, readd the PV, move the LV into the new PV, reduce the VG to let the USB disk go away. Everything

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

Sam Varshavchik writes: a well-defined point when the system boots, then, I guess we can reach the conclusion that NetworkManager is totally incapable of accomplishing basic networking administration tasks, and move on to consider ugly hacks like

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

Allegedly, on or about 18 December 2017, Cameron Simpson sent: > NetworkManager-wait-online may not be doing what people had hoped. I would have thought something with "wait online" in its name would actually wait for it to be on-line. To me, "on-line" means connected and operational. Starting

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

Cameron Simpson writes: On 17Dec2017 18:05, sam varshavchik wrote: But I really don't understand why so much research is needed for this issue, by disabling random things, and then trying other random things. Either NetworkManager-wait-online actually waits until the

Re: F26 hangs or dies

On 12/18/2017 01:19 AM, Stephen Davies wrote: I upgraded from F25 to F26 yesterday and ever since have been seeing the system frequently become totally unresponsive. It seems to be quite random and can only be resolved by hitting the reset button to reboot. On other occasions it doesn't

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

On 12/17/2017 07:42 PM, fred roller wrote: [snip] Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old

Re: fc26 immediate kernel panic on reboot to 4.14.5-200 - subject updated

On 16/12/17 18:10, John Pilkington wrote: On 13/12/17 11:57, John Pilkington wrote: software-updates just upgraded 82 packages.  On reboot, immediate kernel panic. 4.13.16-202 is running ok. yumex-dnf shows two instances of the new kernel packages ?? nvidia 387.22 ... 4.14.5-200.fc26

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/17/2017 08:38 AM, Tom H wrote: >> >> Yes, it's the same thing as doing what I suggested next and you >> snipped out. > > Not exactly... I'd like to know if this commit is the one that broke > the service: > >

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Dr J Austin wrote: >> I gave up using ldap/autofs some time ago and until the last update >> the _netdev option in fstab (or something else maybe) has been working