Re: Fedora-KDE-Live (F32) asks for password

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-05 02:10, Neal Becker wrote:
> Thanks, but I'm not talking about the home directory encryption password.  
> I'm presented with an sddm login screen, asking
> for a username and password.
>
> I tried to make a live usb using the same command with 
> Fedora-MATE_Compiz-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso.
> This seems to have worked.  I did have to hit Alt-F2 to find a screen asking 
> for the home encryption password,
> and after entering it I seem to be running OK.
>
> So there is something wrong with the KDE version.
>

May I suggest you ask the question on the KDE list?  
(k...@lists.fedoraproject.org)
Some folks on that list may not be on this list and be in a better position to 
answer
the question.

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Re: scilab

2020-06-04 Thread Michael Hennebry

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020, stan via users wrote:


software well enough to check it, though. Should also work on F32.  I
think the issue is related to the degeneration of the Java stack in
Fedora.  If I had to guess, I would say that is happening because java
is more popular in enterprises than with individual users.


What is "the degeneration of the Java stack in Fedora"?

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Re: Graphing/Charting software in Linux - recommendations?

2020-06-04 Thread James Szinger
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 09:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
Max Pyziur  wrote:

> I mostly use Python/MatPlotLib for my graphing charting needs for a
> bunch of self-built, production-oriented things I require.
> 
> However, once in a while I need to assemble something ad-hoc, and I 
> generally revert to MS Excel because of fidelity and functionality.
> 
> I've tried doing the same within Gnumeric and Libreoffice, but the
> results are considerably less compelling than that of MS Excel.
> 
> Would there be any recommendations on what's available w/in the Linux 
> world that should be evaluated in this regard?

Gnuplot is an excellent scientific plotting program, which has been
around a long time and is still actively developed.  Once can use it
for ad-hoc graphs, save the configuration and then clean it up ina
text editor for final output.  It's also Makefile friendly for
automated workflows.

R also has excellent statistical graphs, especially with the R-ggplot2
package.  It's also automation friendly.

Jim
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 12:16 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> If you have an md device running overtop of it or LVM that would need
> 
> to be stopped or disabled before device deletion.

Yes, I've done that.

> The scans are on the pci hardware that is over the device.
> 
> 
> 
> in /sys/devices/pci0* there are scan/rescans and dev_rescan that tell
> 
> the boards and/or chips to look again.  Some
> 
> will rescan the chip on the pci bus, some will check the device to see
> 
> if it suddenly got bigger (SAN can resize luns).
> 
> 
> 
>  find /sys/devices/pci* -name "*scan*" -ls
> 
> 
> 
> with lspci and other commands you should be able to determine what
> 
> each device is under.

OK. I was looking in /sys/bus/usb but that looks more promising.
> 
> 
> The ancient standard is "- - -" and has worked whenever I have used
> 
> it, but google may be able to confirm.

OK, thanks.

poc
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/4/20 12:08 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

What I can tell is that I have a Utopia font with xournal fc30,
but not with fc32.
I cannot identify which package offer this option.

cairo is installed on both systems


I assume you have the "texlive-utopia" package installed.  That contains 
a "type 1" version of the font.  Cairo used to be able to use that, but 
now it can't.  So there is no longer a package that will work for you. 
You could try converting that type 1 font to opentype or you could try 
installing the "apanov-heuristica-fonts" package and see if the 
"Heuristica" font is close enough for your use.

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Re: Graphing/Charting software in Linux - recommendations?

2020-06-04 Thread Dave Stevens
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 09:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
Max Pyziur  wrote:

> Would there be any recommendations on what's available w/in the Linux 
> world that should be evaluated in this regard?

I've recently started using Chart.js and am happy with it.

Dave

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Re: scilab

2020-06-04 Thread stan via users
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 08:55:57 -0700
stan  wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:19:15 -0400
> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:  
> > > I cannot install scilab on fc32

Just for fun I decided to see if I could install this on F31.  I
downloaded the following binary packages from koji,

jogl2-2.3.2-9.fc30.x86_64.rpm
jrosetta-1.0.4-14.fc26.noarch.rpm
jrosetta-javadoc-1.0.4-14.fc26.noarch.rpm
jeuclid-3.1.3-23.fc26.noarch.rpm
jeuclid-cli-3.1.3-23.fc26.noarch.rpm
jeuclid-fop-3.1.3-23.fc26.noarch.rpm
jeuclid-mathviewer-3.1.3-23.fc26.noarch.rpm
scilab-6.0.2-2.fc31.x86_64.rpm
scilab-devel-6.0.2-2.fc31.x86_64.rpm
gluegen2-2.3.2-11.fc31.x86_64.rpm
jgraphx-javadoc-3.6.0.0-9.fc31.noarch.rpm
jgraphx-3.6.0.0-9.fc31.noarch.rpm

and installed them using
dnf -C install [package list]
in the directory they were in.  And it worked!  I don't know the
software well enough to check it, though. Should also work on F32.  I
think the issue is related to the degeneration of the Java stack in
Fedora.  If I had to guess, I would say that is happening because java
is more popular in enterprises than with individual users.
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
What I can tell is that I have a Utopia font with xournal fc30,
but not with fc32.
I cannot identify which package offer this option.

cairo is installed on both systems

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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 8:57 PM
> From: "Samuel Sieb" 
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> Subject: Re: which package for xournal
>
> On 6/4/20 11:46 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > With fc30, there was a package for utopia font working with xournal.
> > Do you know which one was it?
> 
> As far as I can tell, there was never a Utopia font package outside of 
> texlive.  In F31, there was a cairo change and it can no longer use 
> type1 fonts.  That might be the difference.
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/4/20 11:46 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

With fc30, there was a package for utopia font working with xournal.
Do you know which one was it?


As far as I can tell, there was never a Utopia font package outside of 
texlive.  In F31, there was a cairo change and it can no longer use 
type1 fonts.  That might be the difference.

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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Thanks.

With fc30, there was a package for utopia font working with xournal.
Do you know which one was it?

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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 7:05 PM
> From: "Samuel Sieb" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: which package for xournal
>
> On 6/4/20 4:07 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Which package should I install to get the utopia font with xournal?
> 
> The only Fedora reference to the Utopia font is in texlive, but that's 
> not generally usable.  That font has a very interesting history.  You 
> could try converting the type 1 fonts from that package into opentype, 
> or you could try using the apanov-heuristica-fonts package which is a 
> font based on Utopia.
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Good suggestion.
It is just not compatible with xoj

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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 8:18 PM
> From: "Ranjan Maitra" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: which package for xournal
>
> Btw, this is unrelated, but I found xournalpp a month or so ago: it is a more 
> improved version of xournal and also available on the F repos.
> 
> Ranjan
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:05:20 -0700 Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> 
> > On 6/4/20 4:07 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > Which package should I install to get the utopia font with xournal?
> >
> > The only Fedora reference to the Utopia font is in texlive, but that's
> > not generally usable.  That font has a very interesting history.  You
> > could try converting the type 1 fonts from that package into opentype,
> > or you could try using the apanov-heuristica-fonts package which is a
> > font based on Utopia.
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Btw, this is unrelated, but I found xournalpp a month or so ago: it is a more 
improved version of xournal and also available on the F repos.

Ranjan


On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:05:20 -0700 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 6/4/20 4:07 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Which package should I install to get the utopia font with xournal?
>
> The only Fedora reference to the Utopia font is in texlive, but that's
> not generally usable.  That font has a very interesting history.  You
> could try converting the type 1 fonts from that package into opentype,
> or you could try using the apanov-heuristica-fonts package which is a
> font based on Utopia.
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Re: Fedora-KDE-Live (F32) asks for password

2020-06-04 Thread Neal Becker
Thanks, but I'm not talking about the home directory encryption password.
I'm presented with an sddm login screen, asking
for a username and password.

I tried to make a live usb using the same command with
Fedora-MATE_Compiz-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso.
This seems to have worked.  I did have to hit Alt-F2 to find a screen
asking for the home encryption password,
and after entering it I seem to be running OK.

So there is something wrong with the KDE version.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:45 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 6/4/20 7:05 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > I tried creating a live USB with KDE and persistence using:
> >
> > sudo livecd-iso-to-disk --format --efi --overlay-size-mb 2000
> > --home-size-mb 2000 ~/Downloads/Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> /dev/sdb
> >
> > This boots up, but comes shows a screen (probably sddm) that asks for
> > username/password.  Tried liveuser/no password, and that didn't work.
>
> You created a home partition which is encrypted by default, unless you
> add the --unencrypted-home option.  I've never used it encrypted, but I
> assume you would have been asked for a password when running the command.
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Re: Graphing/Charting software in Linux - recommendations?

2020-06-04 Thread George N. White III
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 10:40, Max Pyziur  wrote:

>
> Greetings,
>
> I mostly use Python/MatPlotLib for my graphing charting needs for a bunch
> of self-built, production-oriented things I require.
>
> However, once in a while I need to assemble something ad-hoc, and I
> generally revert to MS Excel because of fidelity and functionality.
>
> I've tried doing the same within Gnumeric and Libreoffice, but the results
> are considerably less compelling than that of MS Excel.
>
> Would there be any recommendations on what's available w/in the Linux
> world that should be evaluated in this regard?
>

I get this question a lot  -- Windows refugees often want artifacts similar
to ones
they produced using MS Excel.  Well-supported graphics packages have
galleries
of sample artifacts you can view online.   If there are examples in
publications or
web sites that you like, ask the authors how they were produced.
You may want to post in a LibreOffice forum to see if there is a way to do
something similar in LibreOffice -- if not maybe it will generate a feature
request.

I often generate a basic artifact with python or R and tweak it with
Inkscape
or Krita 4 where I get more direct control of details.

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Re: Fedora-KDE-Live (F32) asks for password

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/4/20 7:05 AM, Neal Becker wrote:

I tried creating a live USB with KDE and persistence using:

sudo livecd-iso-to-disk --format --efi --overlay-size-mb 2000 
--home-size-mb 2000 ~/Downloads/Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso /dev/sdb


This boots up, but comes shows a screen (probably sddm) that asks for 
username/password.  Tried liveuser/no password, and that didn't work.


You created a home partition which is encrypted by default, unless you 
add the --unencrypted-home option.  I've never used it encrypted, but I 
assume you would have been asked for a password when running the command.

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Re: Graphing/Charting software in Linux - recommendations?

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/4/20 6:38 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
I mostly use Python/MatPlotLib for my graphing charting needs for a 
bunch of self-built, production-oriented things I require.


However, once in a while I need to assemble something ad-hoc, and I 
generally revert to MS Excel because of fidelity and functionality.


I've tried doing the same within Gnumeric and Libreoffice, but the 
results are considerably less compelling than that of MS Excel.


Would there be any recommendations on what's available w/in the Linux 
world that should be evaluated in this regard?


You need to provide more details of what you're looking for.  What's 
wrong with what libreoffice does?

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Roger Heflin
hdparm -Sread the man page to understand how to
set the values, they are a not linear.

If you have an md device running overtop of it or LVM that would need
to be stopped or disabled before device deletion.

The scans are on the pci hardware that is over the device.

in /sys/devices/pci0* there are scan/rescans and dev_rescan that tell
the boards and/or chips to look again.  Some
will rescan the chip on the pci bus, some will check the device to see
if it suddenly got bigger (SAN can resize luns).

 find /sys/devices/pci* -name "*scan*" -ls

with lspci and other commands you should be able to determine what
each device is under.

The ancient standard is "- - -" and has worked whenever I have used
it, but google may be able to confirm.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 6:18 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 18:04 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > you might be able to do this:
> >
> > echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete
> >
> >
> >
> > that will remove the sdX device, to get it back you would need to
> >
> > reboot or do a"
> >
> > echo "- - -" to the "scan" device under the device that controls it to
> >
> > bring it back.
>
> I'll think about that, though I suspect I'll need to stop md first,
> otherwise deleting one device at a time might make md think it needs to
> re-sync.
>
> > You may need to also use smartctl and/or hdparm (if this usb device
> >
> > will pass the commands through)
> >
> > to set the power down parameters on the disk so that it will power down.
>
> hdparm lets me "unload" the disks but that doesn't power them down (the
> man page says they will keep spinning).
>
> poc
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Re: which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/4/20 4:07 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Which package should I install to get the utopia font with xournal?


The only Fedora reference to the Utopia font is in texlive, but that's 
not generally usable.  That font has a very interesting history.  You 
could try converting the type 1 fonts from that package into opentype, 
or you could try using the apanov-heuristica-fonts package which is a 
font based on Utopia.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Roberto Ragusa

On 2020-06-02 11:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
system) is touching the drives periodically.


First:

  dnf install blktrace

then start a (replace sda with one of the disks)

  btrace /dev/sda

and keep it running when no activity is expected.
It will tell you what is touching the drive, including any RAID
reconstruction or check.

You could also run the command on /dev/md0 (or what is named),
to see if something is accessing the RAID through the filesytem
(e.g. df, updatedb, ...).

Regards.

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Re: scilab

2020-06-04 Thread stan via users
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:19:15 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > I cannot install scilab on fc32  
> 
> The package was orphaned by its maintainer[1], and is failing to
> install on Fedora 32, which will likely lead to it being removed at
> the next release[2].  It looks like the install dependencies also were
> dropped, which is why it isn't able to be installed anymore.
> 
> 
> 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736646
> 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1834103

As a possible workaround, you could go here
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1235436
and get the last src.rpm that built successfully, and build it on your
system using rpmbuild.  If it has build requires that aren't met, you
will have to build and install them first, using the same process.  It
might be that the package is not compatible with changes in an API or
ABI in later Fedoras, and you will have to tweak the spec or the source
to get around that.

This should be safe from a security standpoint if you are the sole user
of your computer, and you have no internet facing services.

I don't know how to check copr builds, but maybe it has already been
built by someone else who needed it, and is available in copr.
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 14:21 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 10:57:10 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > 
> > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > 
> > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > keeping it powered on.
> > 
> 
> What is wrong with autofs and in 
> /etc/auto.master
> # Include /etc/auto.master.d/*.autofs
> # The included files must conform to the format of this file.
> #
> /media/etc/auto.master.d/auto.media --timeout=60 --ghost
> 
> and in
> 
> /etc/auto.master.d/auto.media
> #
> # This is an automounter map and it has the following format
> # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location
> # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage
> WD500-MyBook  -fstype=auto,noatime,nodiratime 
> :/dev/disk/by-label/WD500-MyBook
> 
> It works for me. Not USB, it is eSATA.

I'll look at that, thanks. However I'm also interested in getting the
drives to power down when not in use. I've managed to do that
successfully but I don't know if autofs has hooks to enable me to
insert the appropriate commands.

poc
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Re: scilab

2020-06-04 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 04:41:45PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> I cannot install scilab on fc32

The package was orphaned by its maintainer[1], and is failing to
install on Fedora 32, which will likely lead to it being removed at
the next release[2].  It looks like the install dependencies also were
dropped, which is why it isn't able to be installed anymore.


1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736646
2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1834103


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scilab

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

I cannot install scilab on fc32


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Fedora-KDE-Live (F32) asks for password

2020-06-04 Thread Neal Becker
I tried creating a live USB with KDE and persistence using:

sudo livecd-iso-to-disk --format --efi --overlay-size-mb 2000
--home-size-mb 2000 ~/Downloads/Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso /dev/sdb

This boots up, but comes shows a screen (probably sddm) that asks for
username/password.  Tried liveuser/no password, and that didn't work.

Is
Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
defective?

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Graphing/Charting software in Linux - recommendations?

2020-06-04 Thread Max Pyziur


Greetings,

I mostly use Python/MatPlotLib for my graphing charting needs for a bunch 
of self-built, production-oriented things I require.


However, once in a while I need to assemble something ad-hoc, and I 
generally revert to MS Excel because of fidelity and functionality.


I've tried doing the same within Gnumeric and Libreoffice, but the results 
are considerably less compelling than that of MS Excel.


Would there be any recommendations on what's available w/in the Linux 
world that should be evaluated in this regard?


Much thanks,

Max
p...@brama.com
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Re: Systemd-boot for MS Surface GO?

2020-06-04 Thread Tom Horsley
> The following steps made it usable but I still need to fix kernel
> updates or it will break again:  

I have no idea if the technique would work for UEFI, but on
most of my systems for a long time now, I've always installed
a stand alone small grub partition which is the main one the
system boots to, then it can boot other linux partitions using the
"configfile" command to point to a complete linux installation
in a totally separate partition that has its own /boot and grub.

The linux in that separate partition then updates its own kernel
in its own /boot and everything works normally.

The only gotcha is if a grub update comes along and adds
something to the config file the stand alone grub no longer understands,
but I can usually figure out how to get the stand alone grub
updated as well. (BLS did this to me as an example).
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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread stan via users
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 23:57:10 +0200
Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> I cannot restart the graphics mode (fc32)
> 
> startx
> 
> xauth:  file /home/pdupre/.serverauth.2495 does not exist
> 

I am assuming you want to start Gnome with startx.  In your home
directory, do:

echo '#! /bin/bash' > .Xclients
echo ' ' >> .Xclients
chmod +x .Xclients
echo 'GSESSION="$(type -p gnome-session)"' >> .Xclients
echo 'exec $GSESSION' >> .Xclients
echo 'Starting X with Gnome...'

Then, start Gnome with
startx -- vt10

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Re: Systemd-boot for MS Surface GO?

2020-06-04 Thread stan via users
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 07:39:09 -0500
Richard Shaw  wrote:

> I won't quite call this solved, but I did manage to get it to boot my
> Fedora 32 install finally.
> 
> The following steps made it usable but I still need to fix kernel
> updates or it will break again:

[snip]

> Things left to fix:
> 1. Get it working with secure boot
> 2. Figure out how to keep the kernel options after kernel update.

Thanks for posting the update.  Keeping for future reference in case I
decide to switch to systemd-boot.
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Re: Systemd-boot for MS Surface GO?

2020-06-04 Thread Richard Shaw
I won't quite call this solved, but I did manage to get it to boot my
Fedora 32 install finally.

The following steps made it usable but I still need to fix kernel updates
or it will break again:

0. Disable secure boot, I haven't gotten it to work with systemd-boot yet.
1. Boot Fedora Live USB and install gparted
2. Create a new ESP partition of 1GB formatted FAT32 (I shrunk my "/" by
1GB to make room). Make sure you change the partition flags on the original
ESP to remove the ESP flag,
3. Copy the contents of the original ESP partition to it (the MS stuff).
4. Copy the contents of /boot to the ESP partition. It will complain about
symlinks related to GRUB but we don't care but we're moving to systemd-boot.
5. From Fedora Live mount your installed system to chroot into:
# su
# cd /mnt
# mkdir fedora
# mount /dev/ fedora
# mount /dev/ fedora/boot
# mount -t proc /proc fedora/proc
# mount --rbind /dev fedora/dev
# mount --rbind /sys fedora/sys
# chroot fedora
# bootctl install

If you did everything right systemd-boot will find everything it needs and
perform the install.

6. Update the EFI boot order
# efibootmgr -v
(remove old Fedora entry from original install)
# efibootmgr -B -b 
(note the boot order and copy it and paste it to a new command)
# efibootmgr -o 
(Rearrange the boot order to the Linux Boot Manger is first)

7. Fix /etc/fstab
Comment out the /boot and /boot/efi entries.
Determine the UUID of the new ESP partition:
# blkid /dev/
You want the short one with the hyphen in the middle, not the PARTUUID.
Copy the old EFI line and update the UUID *AND* the path to just /boot

8. The real PITA part I had to figure out. Since we're not using GRUB
anymore, none of the crap it puts in EFI/fedora matters to systemd-boot,
namely the kernel options.
Open up EFI/fedora/grubenv and locate the kernel options (kernelopts). Copy
the contents and then open up
/boot/loader/entries/-.conf.
Swap out the $kernelopts with the stuff you copied from grubenv.

Reboot!

Things left to fix:
1. Get it working with secure boot
2. Figure out how to keep the kernel options after kernel update.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Bob Marcan
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 10:57:10 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> system) is touching the drives periodically.
> 
> What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> 
> Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> keeping it powered on.
> 

What is wrong with autofs and in 
/etc/auto.master
# Include /etc/auto.master.d/*.autofs
# The included files must conform to the format of this file.
#
/media  /etc/auto.master.d/auto.media --timeout=60 --ghost

and in

/etc/auto.master.d/auto.media
#
# This is an automounter map and it has the following format
# key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location
# Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage
WD500-MyBook-fstype=auto,noatime,nodiratime 
:/dev/disk/by-label/WD500-MyBook

It works for me. Not USB, it is eSATA.
Do we realy need all this systemd monolythic crap?
Will Linux abandon unix and become Windows?

BR, Bob
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 12:16 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > you might be able to do this:
> > echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete
> > that will remove the sdX device, to get it back you would need to
> > reboot or do a"
> > echo "- - -" to the "scan" device under the device that controls it to
> > bring it back.
> 
> 
> I'll think about that, though I suspect I'll need to stop md first,
> 
> otherwise deleting one device at a time might make md think it needs to
> 
> re-sync.

I can stop md using 'echo inactive > /sys/block/md127/md/array_state'
and restart it the same way (which also automounts it for some reason
even though I have noauto in the /etc/fstab line). What I'm not sure
about is the 'echo ... > scan' you mention. There is no such file under
/sys/block/. Do I need to look in /sys/bus/usb?

poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 18:04 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> you might be able to do this:
> 
> echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete
> 
> 
> 
> that will remove the sdX device, to get it back you would need to
> 
> reboot or do a"
> 
> echo "- - -" to the "scan" device under the device that controls it to
> 
> bring it back.

I'll think about that, though I suspect I'll need to stop md first,
otherwise deleting one device at a time might make md think it needs to
re-sync.

> You may need to also use smartctl and/or hdparm (if this usb device
> 
> will pass the commands through)
> 
> to set the power down parameters on the disk so that it will power down.

hdparm lets me "unload" the disks but that doesn't power them down (the
man page says they will keep spinning).

poc
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which package for xournal

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

Which package should I install to get the utopia font with xournal?

Thank.

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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-04 17:35, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> OK,
>
> I had to reinstall gdm
>
> But I realise that a huge number of applications disappear!!!
> I there a list of packages installed during the last upgrade?
>

The "dnf history" is what you need.  See the man page for dnf for options.

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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
OK,

I had to reinstall gdm

But I realise that a huge number of applications disappear!!!
I there a list of packages installed during the last upgrade?

Thank


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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 11:23 AM
> From: "Ed Greshko" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
>
> On 2020-06-04 17:12, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >> On 2020-06-04 16:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >>> No problem, I can run fedora32 from a USB stick.
> >> OK...
> >>> As I say, I can boot properly the other fc32 installed on the machine.
> >> I see.  I misunderstood what you said in an earlier message.
> >>
> >> So, the failing F32.  Is that configured to start gdm, sddm, or some other 
> >> display manager?
> >> If so, what is the output of
> >>
> >> systemctl status display-manager.service
> >>
> > Unit display-manager.service could not be found
> >
> 
> Well, what display manager were you using?
> 
> If you're using Workstation/Gnome it would normally be gdm.  KDE is usually 
> sddm.  Other desktops
> may use lightdm.
> 
> systemctl --force enable YouDM-choice
> 
> Reboot
> 
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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-04 17:12, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> On 2020-06-04 16:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>> No problem, I can run fedora32 from a USB stick.
>> OK...
>>> As I say, I can boot properly the other fc32 installed on the machine.
>> I see.  I misunderstood what you said in an earlier message.
>>
>> So, the failing F32.  Is that configured to start gdm, sddm, or some other 
>> display manager?
>> If so, what is the output of
>>
>> systemctl status display-manager.service
>>
> Unit display-manager.service could not be found
>

Well, what display manager were you using?

If you're using Workstation/Gnome it would normally be gdm.  KDE is usually 
sddm.  Other desktops
may use lightdm.

systemctl --force enable YouDM-choice

Reboot

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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
>
> On 2020-06-04 16:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > No problem, I can run fedora32 from a USB stick.
> 
> OK...
> >
> > As I say, I can boot properly the other fc32 installed on the machine.
> 
> I see.  I misunderstood what you said in an earlier message.
> 
> So, the failing F32.  Is that configured to start gdm, sddm, or some other 
> display manager?
> If so, what is the output of
> 
> systemctl status display-manager.service
> 

Unit display-manager.service could not be found

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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-04 16:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> No problem, I can run fedora32 from a USB stick.

OK...
>
> As I say, I can boot properly the other fc32 installed on the machine.

I see.  I misunderstood what you said in an earlier message.

So, the failing F32.  Is that configured to start gdm, sddm, or some other 
display manager?
If so, what is the output of

systemctl status display-manager.service


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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes, I tried.

No problem, I can run fedora32 from a USB stick.

As I say, I can boot properly the other fc32 installed on the machine.


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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 10:38 AM
> From: "Ed Greshko" 
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> Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
>
> On 2020-06-04 15:45, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Yes dual boot.
> > Both fc32 updated
> >
> > One run OK.
> > Should I try troubleshooting from the live fc32?
> 
> You should try booting the Live F32 image to ensure it gets you a graphical 
> interface.
> It seem quite odd that both F32 systems of the dual boot fail. 
> 
> 
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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-04 15:45, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Yes dual boot.
> Both fc32 updated
>
> One run OK.
> Should I try troubleshooting from the live fc32?

You should try booting the Live F32 image to ensure it gets you a graphical 
interface.
It seem quite odd that both F32 systems of the dual boot fail. 



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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
The only thing that I see is:

Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide dbus-daemon[2184]: [session uid=0 pid=2182] 
Successfully activated service 'com.redhat.imsettings'
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.240579]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO: Starting imsettings-daemon...
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.241625]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO:   [HOME=/root/.config/imsettings]
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.241724]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO:   [XINPUTRCDIR=/etc/X11/xinit/]
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.241783]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO:   [XINPUTDIR=/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/]
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.241836]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO:   [MODULEDIR=/usr/lib64/imsettings]
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.241887]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO:   [MODULES=gsettings]
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.246033]: 
GLib[2196]: DEBUG: posix_spawn avoided (fd close requested)
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.271392]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: WARNING **: Child process exited with code 1
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.357082]: 
GLib-GIO[2196]: DEBUG: _g_io_module_get_default: Found default implementation 
dconf (DConfSettingsBackend) for ?gsettings-backend?
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.414138]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO: Release the ownership of com.redhat.imsettings
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: Exiting...
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.414361]: 
GLib-GIO[2196]: CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The 
connection is closed
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.414402]: 
GLib-GIO[2196]: CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The 
connection is closed
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.414464]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO: Unloading imesttings module: gsettings
Jun 04 10:11:11 Teucidide com.redhat.imsettings[2196]: [ 1591258271.414508]: 
IMSettings-Daemon[2196]: INFO: imsettings-daemon is shut down.


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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 9:45 AM
> From: "Patrick Dupre" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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> Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
>
> Yes dual boot.
> Both fc32 updated
> 
> One run OK.
> Should I try troubleshooting from the live fc32?
> 
> 
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> 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 9:39 AM
> > From: "Ed Greshko" 
> > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
> >
> > On 2020-06-04 15:31, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > > The machine has been rebooted several times.
> > > It does not start in graphics mode any more, but in text mode.
> > > It is why I tried startx.
> > > FYI, on the other system on the same machine, I always start in text mode,
> > > and then run startx. It is very fine.
> > 
> > So, are you saying you have one physical computer with 2 versions of Fedora 
> > and that you
> > dual boot?  If so, what versions are they?
> > 
> > And, have you tried booting a LiveCD to eliminate a hardware issue?
> > 
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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes dual boot.
Both fc32 updated

One run OK.
Should I try troubleshooting from the live fc32?


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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 9:39 AM
> From: "Ed Greshko" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
>
> On 2020-06-04 15:31, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> > The machine has been rebooted several times.
> > It does not start in graphics mode any more, but in text mode.
> > It is why I tried startx.
> > FYI, on the other system on the same machine, I always start in text mode,
> > and then run startx. It is very fine.
> 
> So, are you saying you have one physical computer with 2 versions of Fedora 
> and that you
> dual boot?  If so, what versions are they?
> 
> And, have you tried booting a LiveCD to eliminate a hardware issue?
> 
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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-06-04 15:31, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback.
> The machine has been rebooted several times.
> It does not start in graphics mode any more, but in text mode.
> It is why I tried startx.
> FYI, on the other system on the same machine, I always start in text mode,
> and then run startx. It is very fine.

So, are you saying you have one physical computer with 2 versions of Fedora and 
that you
dual boot?  If so, what versions are they?

And, have you tried booting a LiveCD to eliminate a hardware issue?

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Re: no more graphics mode

2020-06-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

Thanks for the feedback.
The machine has been rebooted several times.
It does not start in graphics mode any more, but in text mode.
It is why I tried startx.
FYI, on the other system on the same machine, I always start in text mode,
and then run startx. It is very fine.

I am stuck.


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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 7:09 AM
> From: "Ed Greshko" 
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>
> On 2020-06-04 05:57, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > I cannot restart the graphics mode (fc32)
> 
> You have posted "no more graphics mode" and "No way to have graphics".  Are 
> these the
> same problem? 
> 
> Is there a special reason you're doing "startx' as opposed to using a Display 
> Manager like
> gdm, sddm, or lightdm?
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