Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[Tim via users]

Tim:  (re xeyes)
>> My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
>> mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
>> Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was
>> doing with the mouse at any time.

Michael Hennebry:
> Not obvious.
> Presumably most GUIs would need to monitor the mouse.
> Presumably most GUIs would be started by the owner of the mouse.
> If xeyes is not allowed, presumably gnome-screenshot --include-pointer
> is not allowed either.
> If the issue is looking outside one's window,
> presumably gnome-screenshot is not allowed at all.
> 

I'm thinking more in principle than specifics...  If xeyes could do it,
so could something else, so one might forbid the practice in general. 
Which leaves you with two approaches, allowing certain exceptions, or
never allowing dual monitoring of movements.  Which one would be easier
and safer?

It's one thing to observe the mouse has moved, to nudge the screensaver
timer, for instance.  But it's another thing to track the movements
precisely.

Tangentially related, nefarious keylogging springs to mind.  If only
one thing at a time could monitor what you type, and nothing else could
pretend to be a keyboard and pass them through, software key loggers
would be harder to implement.  Your key entries only going into what
you intend them to.  Something that tried to intercept them would
apparently stop the keyboard from working - your typing wouldn't appear
where you expected it to, as you typed.

Of course that would break global hotkeys, and on-screen keyboards.

Ideas about security always seem to mess up something else.  SELinux is
like that.


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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Tim via users wrote:


On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 16:00 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:

I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?


My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was
doing with the mouse at any time.


Not obvious.
Presumably most GUIs would need to monitor the mouse.
Presumably most GUIs would be started by the owner of the mouse.
If xeyes is not allowed, presumably gnome-screenshot --include-pointer
is not allowed either.
If the issue is looking outside one's window,
presumably gnome-screenshot is not allowed at all.


e.g. On screen keyboards for password entry.  Or those /draw a shape/
with your mouse instead of typing a password.


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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>>> Did that xv security issue get sorted out before the release?

Patrick:
>>AFAIK that was fixed almost immediately after it was announced.


Kevin Fenzi:
> You mean xz? xv was a pretty cool (but not open source) image viewer
> back in the day. :) 

Yes, I did mean that.  Oops...

> as far as xz, for F40, the affected version was only in updates-testing
> for a short time, it never reached stable. The downgrade to the
> older version was pushed later in the day that the announcement came out
> about it. 

Thanks.  Also wondering how far back the breach went.  I remember
reading that the person had being playing the long game about doing
this.

 
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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 16:00 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?

My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was
doing with the mouse at any time.

e.g. On screen keyboards for password entry.  Or those /draw a shape/
with your mouse instead of typing a password.

Once home computers went away from being an isolated box (with no
network, and no exchange of any data in any way with other devices),
more thought needs to go into the design of everything running on it.

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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/25/24 11:09, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 4:10 AM Barry Scott > wrote:



On 25 Apr 2024, at 03:48, Jeffrey Walton mailto:noloa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There always seems to be a lot of video problems after a new
release while RPMFusion is rebuilding their packages.


You mean Nvidia problems? Nothing reported on the fedora forum that
is negative,
beyond the traditional upgrade not setting up the drives in the
upgrade that is easy to fix.

Lots of people have working nvidia in f40.


I have not been able to get a working system on Virtual Box due to video 
problems. Here are the latest problem: >, > and >. The last image, VvCKkKx, is after an install 
and then a 'dnf upgrade'.


virtualbox is not a Fedora issue.

I am Ok with upgrading headless servers; but not workstations with 
desktop software at the moment. I can't risk losing some of my desktops 
machines which are used daily.


All the Fedora provided desktop software that I've used so far works 
great in F40.  And no issues with running it under qemu/kvm.

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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[home user]

On 4/25/24 3:00 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, George N. White III wrote:


There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
implemented.  The latter may not get much attention if they aren't


I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?



I second Michael's question.
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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, George N. White III wrote:


There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
implemented.  The latter may not get much attention if they aren't


I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?

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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Andras Simon]

Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 20:35, home user  a écrit :

> xv is maintained by a github group named "jasper-software".
> The current release is v5.0.0, less than 3 months ago.
> There was a significant enhancement almost a year ago to support "webp" 
> images.
>
> The web site for this xv is here:
> "https://github.com/jasper-software/xv;.
>
> It appears to be free and open-source, but I'm not certain.  If it is, I 
> wonder if it should still be in rpm-nonfree or somewhere else.

$ rpm -qi xv
Name: xv
Version : 4.1.1
Release : 1.fc38
Architecture: x86_64
Install Date: Wed 20 Sep 2023 11:30:02 PM CEST
Group   : Unspecified
Size: 1444371
License : Shareware
Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Thu 08 Jun 2023 06:52:31 PM CEST, Key ID
6a2af96194843c65
Source RPM  : xv-4.1.1-1.fc38.src.rpm
Build Date  : Thu 08 Jun 2023 12:31:55 PM CEST
Build Host  : buildvm-07.virt.rpmfusion.net
Packager: RPM Fusion
Vendor  : RPM Fusion
URL : https://github.com/jasper-software/xv
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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[home user]

On 4/25/24 10:00 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 23:09 +0930, Tim via users wrote:

On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I've updated to F40. Everything works as expected, (I don't have an
Nvidia card at present so YMMV). I do have some comments on the new
KDE/Plasma but I'll post on the Fedora KDE list after a bit more
testing.


Did that xv security issue get sorted out before the release?


AFAIK that was fixed almost immediately after it was announced.


xv is maintained by a github group named "jasper-software".
The current release is v5.0.0, less than 3 months ago.
There was a significant enhancement almost a year ago to support "webp" images.

The web site for this xv is here:
"https://github.com/jasper-software/xv;.

It appears to be free and open-source, but I'm not certain.  If it is, I wonder 
if it should still be in rpm-nonfree or somewhere else.



poc

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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 4:10 AM Barry Scott  wrote:

>
>
> On 25 Apr 2024, at 03:48, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
>
>  There always seems to be a lot of video problems after a new release
> while RPMFusion is rebuilding their packages.
>
>
> You mean Nvidia problems? Nothing reported on the fedora forum that is
> negative,
> beyond the traditional upgrade not setting up the drives in the upgrade
> that is easy to fix.
>
> Lots of people have working nvidia in f40.
>

I have not been able to get a working system on Virtual Box due to video
problems. Here are the latest problem: , <
https://ibb.co/mG9sL8H> and . The last image,
VvCKkKx, is after an install and then a 'dnf upgrade'.

I am Ok with upgrading headless servers; but not workstations with desktop
software at the moment. I can't risk losing some of my desktops machines
which are used daily.

Jeff
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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 05:00:09PM GMT, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 23:09 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > I've updated to F40. Everything works as expected, (I don't have an
> > > Nvidia card at present so YMMV). I do have some comments on the new
> > > KDE/Plasma but I'll post on the Fedora KDE list after a bit more
> > > testing.
> > 
> > Did that xv security issue get sorted out before the release?
> 
> AFAIK that was fixed almost immediately after it was announced.

You mean xz? xv was a pretty cool (but not open source) image viewer
back in the day. :) 

as far as xz, for F40, the affected version was only in updates-testing
for a short time, it never reached stable. The downgrade to the
older version was pushed later in the day that the announcement came out
about it. 

kevin


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Re: Keyboard dead with anydesk logon

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

On 25 Apr 2024 at 2:41, Jon LaBadie wrote:

Date sent:  Thu, 25 Apr 2024 02:41:23 -0400
From:   Jon LaBadie 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject:Re: Keyboard dead with anydesk logon
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 


> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 09:10:01PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Fedora 39
> >anydesk-6.3.2-1.el7.x86_64
> >lightdm-1.32.0-7.fc39.x86_64
> >
> >Any idea why the keyboard and the onscreen keyboard
> >wont let me type my password into lightdm's password
> >prompt.
> >
> Why, no.  Possible workaround.
> 
> I had similar problem with lightdm a while back.  On
> reboot I had a list of users and my id was highlighted.
> 
> The password field accepted no input.  If I used mouse
> to select different user I could login as that user.
> Or I could just click back to my id and the password
> field was working.
> 
> Also VT's worked fine and on return my password field
> worked.

I've seen same thing. Sometimes go back to notebook, and moving 
mouse has password prompt come up, but nothing types. Switching 
to another terminal Ctrl-Alt-F3, and then typing somethine works, 
then going back to GUI screen allows typing the password. So why 
keyboard gets lost??


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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 23:09 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I've updated to F40. Everything works as expected, (I don't have an
> > Nvidia card at present so YMMV). I do have some comments on the new
> > KDE/Plasma but I'll post on the Fedora KDE list after a bit more
> > testing.
> 
> Did that xv security issue get sorted out before the release?

AFAIK that was fixed almost immediately after it was announced.

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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[George N. White III]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:48 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> It looks like Fedora 40 just dropped! Upgrade instructions at <
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/
> >.
>
> RPMFushion folks should wait about a month before upgrading. There always
> seems to be a lot of video problems after a new release while RPMFusion is
> rebuilding their packages.
>

RPMFusion nvidia-470xx packages broke with recent F39 kernel updates.

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Re: Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:12 AM John List  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded Fedora
> 40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the issue.
>
> [image: image.png]
>

If the package is provided by Fedora, then you can report it at <
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/>. Red Hat's bugzilla includes Fedora.

Jeff
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Fedora 40 - KeePass fails to run

[John List]

Hi,

Just an FYI that KeePass is failing to run on my recently upgraded Fedora
40 machine.  I'm not sure of the correct place to report the issue.

[image: image.png]

John
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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I've updated to F40. Everything works as expected, (I don't have an
> Nvidia card at present so YMMV). I do have some comments on the new
> KDE/Plasma but I'll post on the Fedora KDE list after a bit more
> testing.

Did that xv security issue get sorted out before the release?

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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2024-04-24 at 22:48 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> It looks like Fedora 40 just dropped! Upgrade instructions at <
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/
> >.
> 

It was on the Fedora Announce list yesterday. Surprised it didn't
appear here as well as it usually does.

> RPMFushion folks should wait about a month before upgrading. There
> always
> seems to be a lot of video problems after a new release while
> RPMFusion is
> rebuilding their packages.

I've updated to F40. Everything works as expected, (I don't have an
Nvidia card at present so YMMV). I do have some comments on the new
KDE/Plasma but I'll post on the Fedora KDE list after a bit more
testing.

poc
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Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Barry Scott]

> On 25 Apr 2024, at 03:48, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> 
>  There always seems to be a lot of video problems after a new release while 
> RPMFusion is rebuilding their packages.

You mean Nvidia problems? Nothing reported on the fedora forum that is negative,
beyond the traditional upgrade not setting up the drives in the upgrade that is 
easy to fix.

Lots of people have working nvidia in f40.

Barry

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Re: Keyboard dead with anydesk logon

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/24/24 23:41, Jon LaBadie wrote:

The password field accepted no input.  If I used mouse
to select different user I could login as that user.
Or I could just click back to my id and the password
field was working.


Unfortunatly, I tried other users.  No joy
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Re: Keyboard dead with anydesk logon

[Jon LaBadie]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 09:10:01PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 39
anydesk-6.3.2-1.el7.x86_64
lightdm-1.32.0-7.fc39.x86_64

Any idea why the keyboard and the onscreen keyboard
wont let me type my password into lightdm's password
prompt.


Why, no.  Possible workaround.

I had similar problem with lightdm a while back.  On
reboot I had a list of users and my id was highlighted.

The password field accepted no input.  If I used mouse
to select different user I could login as that user.
Or I could just click back to my id and the password
field was working.

Also VT's worked fine and on return my password field
worked.


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