0. And rerunning grub2-mkconfig *should* cause it
to call OS-PROBER, find Windows, and create a GRUB entry for it automatically.
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it comes to multibooting, than Windows or OS X. They're actually in some sense
friendlier to co-existing with Windows, than they are each other.
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partitions, but the
installer is going to see it only has the one option to install to, so
presumably that's what it'll do. At least this is how it's working on OS X when
users prepare the system with Bootcamp Assistant, the resulting installation is
a single partition Windows 8 install.
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are consumed maintaining the different
packaging systems, and manually dealing with dependency conflict resolution. It
must be insane.
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On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:
On 11/22/2013 12:00 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Because you're using BIOS Boot, it's possible grub-install put core.img
(formerly stage2) right at the start of that partition, in which case by
merely changing the boot flag (the active bit
to rant about it here?
He likes ranting?
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On Nov 22, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 22 November 2013, Chris Murphy sent:
A better analogy that involves cars needs some additional detail:
Different automakers put the driver's seat in different locations.
Mercedes right front, Ford
and have no good
reason for meaning different things.
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On Nov 22, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
So if you use efibootmgr -v before and after the change in order with
efibootmgr, does BootOrder show the change in the 2nd efibootmgr -v instance?
That's sorta confusing. What I'm wondering is if the BootOrder change
problems, I'd have to go look at the various
bugs in bugzilla to refresh my memory about it.
In any case, we need to know if your computer's firmware is BIOS or UEFI.
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On Nov 22, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:
On 11/22/2013 01:41 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Not really. Do you think you can functionally operate any package installer
without reading its manual, once you've learned any other package manager?
That depends. Are you referring
On Nov 22, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com
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On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Tom H tomh0
On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary
and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford
English makes such a big distinction between two
enough that it shouldn't hurt unless you really beat on
Windows. Just a thought,
He wants it for gaming. I wouldn't use a VM for that.
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to do something, there should be some clarity in what the
problem and solution is. A lot of lee way is given in the spec to the built-in
boot manager, which BTW is a huge chunk of what GRUB is rather than as a boot
loader.
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On Nov 24, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 11/23/2013 03:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary
may have to suffer
with something of a performance hit presenting that backing file as an IDE
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a secondary OS.]
That's a better option. But Fedora grub should probably be used, as it seems
the syntax of grub2 cfg files changes, and the newest version of grub installed
as the bootloader can read either configfile.
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grub.cfg entry for them. Because of the litany of completely non-standard
layouts possible by linux alone, this can be a problem, not least of which is
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this. Each distribution updates only their own grub.cfg. And as far as I'm
aware, no distribution ever re-runs grub-install, so the existing bootloader is
only going to be interfered with by users reinstalling the bootloader or
installing a new OS.
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grub2-mkconfig on Fedora, the resulting grub.cfg always has an entry that
points to Ubuntu (as well as Fedora entries). And Ubuntu kernel updates will be
reflected in its grub.cfg.
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote:
In theory, Ubuntu and Fedora will have their own partitions inside
On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 11/27/2013 04:24 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 11/26/2013 11:56 PM, poma wrote:
On 26.11.2013 23:18, Michael Schwendt wrote:
That's because
that
has various other problems with at least one modern file system.
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that there's a problem. As for the suggested
solutions, we end up with more problems some of which were discussed by the
creator of gdisk, and the current maintainer of rEFInd, Rod Smith.
See comment 14 onward.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=159172p=1
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On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Juan Orti Alcaine juan.o...@miceliux.com
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Give a look to this proposal:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki
device these partitions are located. But this will create the file system,
and add it to fstab so that it's automatically available.
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On 12/02/2013 02:23 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Swap on the SSD if you will need to use swap regularly, including if you
want faster recovery from sleep. Otherwise put it on the HDD. Make it as big
as you plan on memory being in the life
The formula there has swap anywhere from 1.5x to 3x memory, to configure for
hibernation.
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appreciated .
Marry her!
As soon as possible!
poma
Do you have anything *relevant* to add to the discussion, or are you just
here to waste bandwidth?
He appears to be the equivalent of Towelie. In that context, everything he
writes here makes complete sense.
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4GB RAM and hibernation applies. Whereas for 8GB or more, the suggestion is
1.5x memory if hibernation applies. If hibernation doesn't apply suggested swap
is between 0.5x and 2x RAM.
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, or ideally only possible by explicit action by the user.
Otherwise it's bad design or a bug. Much consideration went into the new
installer UI specifically to make it more clear when existing data is going to
be removed.
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create an
edit list. Nothing is changed on disk until you click the Begin Installation
button from the hub (the main menu).
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[1] This is a best effort support case, as the installer doesn't actually do
the resizing, it's done via the NTFS-3G. But it is a test case for Fedora QA so
bootinfoscript and run it, then post the report somewhere like
pastebin.com and post the URL here.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
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for these cards, which is proprietary.
There are one or two floss projects that enable support for exFAT. But when I
do a yum search, I get no results. I don't have rpmfusion or any 3rd party
repos enabled, however. So I'd look there.
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, and then run:
journalctl -b -o short-monotonic journal.txt
lspci -vvnn lspci.txt
And post on pastebin.com, or some such, and then report the URLs here.
In the meantime you might also check into borrowing another SD card reader
and/or card and see if that changes the situation.
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system, it
seems to be an actual problem. However, dnf uses slightly different metadata
and it's still working where yum fails.
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is still an E so you actually need to use two
backslashes.
efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sda -p 1 -l \\EFI\\fedora\\shim.efi
To confirm you can use
efibootmgr -v
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).
Regardless of the formatting, but made more risky with exFAT, is using the
camera interface to delete individual images. It's better to just copy
everything off the card and then delete the photos you don't want.
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to be anything like a resume.target or
wakeup.target .
I think this is a good question to ask on systemd-devel@ list. The devs are
quite responsive, and if it's too simple a question then there are more
advanced users lurking who'd likely answer.
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. And exFAT/FAT64 is not only patent encumbered, but it also uses only one
FAT so it's actually less resilient in the face of any kind of corruption, and
isn't intended for this use case.
They should probably use NTFS instead.
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
FAT32 isn't useful for mass storage of video files because of its 4GB file
size limit. And exFAT/FAT64 is not only patent encumbered, but it also
On Dec 8, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
But also unfortunate timing, in that there haven't been significantly better
alternatives to FAT32 that address resilience, volume size, and file size
limitations.
Oops, other than NTFS.
I don't know what
On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
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, when NTFS is a viable cross platform option.
You want journaling on dumb flash media without TRIM support, really?
Think about it…
The FTL
should do.
I'm sufficiently experienced with multibooting that I think it's basically a
crap UX, that becomes 1000x worse than crap if anything goes wrong, which
forums indicate is a decent probability. So I'd pick one, and VM the other,
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Offhand I'm not thinking why a TV would need mount media as read-write.
In principle, it would allow the TV to flag shows that have
DVD and netinst, because this
isn't a systemd mode, it's an anaconda feature. It's anaconda that uses it's
ninja storage knowledge to find and put together a system, and mount it all
correctly with the various faux file systems at /mnt/sysimage.
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Chris Murphy:
Offhand I'm not thinking why a TV would need mount media as
read-write.
Patrick O'Callaghan:
In principle, it would
there is no such thing as a completely free market because there isn't perfect
information (and often there are explicit attempts to avoid and even obfuscate
information). So you can argue that the lack of documentation, or existence of
bad documentation, limits the freedom of OSS.
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it. It's to the
point that media vendors use the availability of recovery tools in their
marketing info to get consumers to buy their brand of storage media!
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-tools which has a pile of
features like overlay, encrypted home, ability to install to an existing
partition/volume without destroying other partitions/volumes.
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the whole partition map and all content
on the stick. But it does warn of this also and enables a safe exit via
control-C. To me, --format implies using mkfs.vfat -F32 on the specified
partition, but that doesn't appear to be the only thing it does.
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mean it's not FDE.
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create the symmetric
key, the drive does. However, I vaguely recall it's possible to drop the same
public assymetric key on all of the drives, thereby encrypting the AES key with
a key you control. But, if the AES key is compromised anyway, this makes zero
difference.
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perspective nothing has changed.
That's correct, but it requires platform specific user space tools to exist to
access the unencrypted portion of the drive so that the encrypted AES key can
be replaced.
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into that delayed reboot/shutdown bug a lot. Not every time, but
maybe 1/3 of the time? It happens on baremetal and in VMs. New F20 installs,
and updated ones.
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
Quoting Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us:
On 12/17/2013 11:16 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If you do it within the VM, what result do you get with 'poweroff'? systemd
maps init 0 to poweroff, as of course there is no init
before release. The stability
depends in large part on the community's contribution into finding and properly
reporting bugs (reproduce instructions, attaching the proper logs, etc.) The
community gets out of Fedora what's put into it.
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
Urgh. I think this is a bug getting the external shutdown message passed into
the VM. So this might mean setting up the VM with a serial device, and using
virsh console so that even if it gets networking in the VM
On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
Quoting Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com:
On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
not sure what list would be appropriate for this but i'll start here.
currently running
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
So that's consistent with what you're seeing I think. I got sick of the
user@0.service bug causing delays and formed the habit of using virsh
destroy. Looks like a totally separate bug here.
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shutdown message passed into
the VM. So this might mean setting up the VM with a serial device, and using
virsh console so that even if it gets networking in the VM all shutdown, you
can still control and see what's happening, or in this case what's not
happening..
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
[ 118.522477] PM: Syncing filesystems ... done.
[ 118.986063] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.005 seconds) done.
[ 119.045554] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.001 seconds)
done
with fedup 0.8:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2013-December/000842.html
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to be redownloaded by 0.8.
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it down from outside the VM.
Gnome Boxes is another VM option you might look at. It appears to (externally
execute) shutdown of VMs correctly.
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tested.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024002
Until the industry gets its act together on TRIM, I think we're probably better
off executing fstrim once a week with a cron job at a time the computer is
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idea??
Might be a variant of this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820
What you can do as a work around is:
sync reboot -f
That's an abrupt forced reboot but syncs and should unmount file systems
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On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote:
Hello,
I'm going to setup F20 with a new
the x220.
For SSD you'll almost certainly want SATA rev 3.0 enabled. The bandwidth is
300MBs vs 600MB/s. By running SATA rev. 2 you're bandwidth limiting your
hardware.
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On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:
My Lenovo x120e supposedly has the sata3 chipset, but only sata2 enabled.
According to a few
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You can check this with dmesg, find the SATA device note
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you have enough swap space. By default the installer may not create
enough because it doesn't use the hibernation calculation, which is roughly 2x
memory for a laptop with 4GB - 16GB of RAM.
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reconstruction aspect, it seems like a Btrfs aware
deltarpm could simply write out the delta blocks to disk, which would be rather
small, and then obsolete the old ones if the operation is successful. Fully
rewriting the files isn't necessary by design with Btrfs.
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Does anyone know exactly what's happening during the rebuild? I understand
from light documentation how deltarpm works, what I'm
menu, but as soon as I select Install Fedora, the
screen goes black and nothing ever happens. Has anyone installed F20
into a VirtualBox VM?
Yes albeit it was on OS X. On Fedora I use virsh / virt-manager or Gnome Boxes.
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in the installer, and there is a
long convoluted RFE in RHBZ (maybe there's a short one, but if not one needs to
be created) to create this file even if the install boot loader option is
disabled.
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?).
/dev/sdb is a gpt disk. There's no distinction between primary and extended
partitions, there are just partitions, up to 128 of them.
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requirements please be specific what you want the various sizes to be?
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On Dec 21, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:
On 12/21/2013 02:51 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Based on the /dev/sdb layout it seems you used custom/manual partitioning in
the installer, and created all of these mount points manually
On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/12/13 19:44, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll do another F20 installation to see if it shows up this time. If not I
suppose it is hardware related. Maybe
this, or I think
they'd get into trouble for false advertising and this isn't their first day at
the rodeo when it comes to that so it seems doubtful they'd want to do it all
over again.
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. It will show an LV icon in Files, and if you
click it, it will be mounted at /run/media/username/volumeuuid and appear
in gnome-shell.
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. But in practice, the
installer won't actually create such a layout, and that's probably a good idea
also because even though it can be done, it's complicated and thwarts the
allocation mechanism of the file system, better to just fix the problematic
existing layout.
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But I think he didn't want a new /home on /dev/sdb, I think he wanted the /home
he had on /dev/sda but I could be mistaken. I'm not clear on the exact final
layout the OP wants.
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You did not use pvcreate on sdb4 before using vgextend.
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integrated graphics and also
discrete graphics, then UEFI mode boots tend to activate both, causing neither
to work. So you have to figure out how to disable one of them with a modeset
kernel parameter option.
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vaguely recall it being mentioned during early early testing, but I'm not
finding a feature page for it.
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On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
Trying to upgrade F19-F20 using fedup --iso with luks-encrypted partitions.
I suggest posting the results of lsblk.
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And post those results somewhere like fpaste.
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-terminal, copy-paste it into a text file. Then
fpaste the text file.
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