Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates

2010-03-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/24/2010 01:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday 23 March 2010 19:21:59 Robin Laing wrote: On 03/13/2010 08:34 AM, Mail Lists wrote: It will be interesting if Mono is pushed into Gnome to the point that RedHad cannot work around it. Could KDE become the default Fedora desktop?

Re: Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion

2010-03-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/24/2010 01:54 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: KDE 3.5 - 4 upgrade annoyed me to no end because KDE4 wasn't ready for prime time. The current version is pretty nice, but I've switched to XFCE. But that doesn't mean that all change is bad. For instance, upstart integration has been way

Re: Are the scripts in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d deprecated?

2010-03-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/27/2010 04:05 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: Not to pick nits, Aaron, but there are some things that NM simply cannot or will not do correctly (e.g. it won't even bloody start unless you have a user logged in so it's useless for a large number of applications). I'd hardly call the people that

Re: log in through root

2010-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/28/2010 01:59 PM, Rajanish Kumar wrote: Hi! I have already installed Fedora 12 .I have given root password...and finally added a user name rajanish .I am log in through rajanishbut i have not accessing throgh root...I want to log in through root because i want to learn administrative

Re: Are the scripts in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d deprecated?

2010-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/29/2010 03:26 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 15:35 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Yes, NM is quite good, but a complete and utter lack of docs for it is a major problem, and it appears the people working on it aren't willing to farm the creation of docs out. I know. I offered to

Re: How to remove linux partition

2010-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/27/2010 10:24 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: I believe the original message said it was Fedora 11, which I believe didn't use ext4 or have it as an option. Actually, Fedora 11 had Ext4 as the default and it was introduced first as a option in Fedora 9

Re: PS Re: What is /usr/share/locale?

2010-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/29/2010 03:45 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: When specifying names of groups with spaces in them you need to quote. e.g. yum groupremove Tibetan Support It might be easier to do # yum -v grouplist # yum install @tibetan-support For a lot of groups, the shorter names are far less

Re: chromium install problem

2010-03-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/31/2010 01:50 PM, mike cloaked wrote: I second that - chromium has some rather difficult java problems as far as I remember - google-chrome-beta (installed easiest via google repo setup) works well enough most of the time to be a mainstream browser now. Note that Google Chrome is a

Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

2010-04-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/02/2010 04:36 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net said: I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from further the last two principles. I would

Re:

2010-04-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote: -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. 1) free and open source software is redundant ( if it's free software ) Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding the free beer vs freedom confusion 2)

Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's Check for Updates?

2010-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/01/2010 11:12 PM, psmith wrote: then why don't you both get off your a**es and help the packagers package and test the newer releases instead of just blowing off at volunteers who are giving you something for free? This type of language is completely unnecessary. The maintainers

Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's Check for Updates?

2010-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/02/2010 11:05 PM, Michael Miles wrote then why don't you both get off your a**es and help the packagers package and test the newer releases instead of just blowing off at volunteers who are giving you something for free? Maybe they are asking because they do not know how. This kind of

Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's Check for Updates?

2010-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/02/2010 11:19 PM, Craig White wrote: Rahul is a Fedora director, one of the kindest, gentlest and most patient people on this list. Thanks for the compliment but I am not really any kind of director. Just a Fedora contributor among many others. No special titles. Rahul -- users

Re: Virtualization

2010-04-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/03/2010 05:19 AM, David Bartmess wrote: I don't find kvm anywhere. Is there a specific repository I need to add to my list? KVM is a kernel module. There is no separate package or binary called KVM. The user space tool is qemu-kvm.

Re: Virtualization

2010-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/03/2010 07:22 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: Hmm. That I did not know. I'll try rmmod'ing the kvm modules and checking what happens. Virtualbox does not load any modules AFAICT. It just runs as a service against internal kernel structures...which I had always assumed were accessed through

Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

2010-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his developers and doesn't get a cent back... for now. Far from true. You need to check your facts. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's Check for Updates?

2010-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/06/2010 02:59 AM, psmith wrote: i think his reply was meant for me rahul, notice that the first paragraph of him mail is my reply to the two complainants verbatim, and mea culpa for the language/post, it was a result of a long day dealing with extremely ungratefull people and i let

Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

2010-04-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/08/2010 02:29 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his developers and doesn't get a cent back... for now. Far from true

Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

2010-04-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/09/2010 05:17 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: [ You mailed me offlist and then quoted me on a public list. You need to stop doing that] You are right in observing that the cost of living is not the same in America and India. But, if RHF is satisfied with your work, you should be able to

Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

2010-04-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/11/2010 02:13 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear fellow Fedora users, \begin{rant} I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it even though it has become a big and ugly resource taker :(. The other day I was giving it a

Re: Latest 2.6.33.1-24.fc13.x86_64 kernel still crashes on shutdown

2010-04-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/11/2010 02:15 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I see all the reports of crash on shutdown have been marked as duplicates of 572868, but the latest kernel didn't help (I misunderstood there's a patch to mean which fixes the problem) so if you test 64 bit fc13 you may want to manually unmount

Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

2010-04-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/11/2010 02:34 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Do you package firefox? if you do, I am sorry, but I still don't like the way it has been behaving. Nope and while I understand you don't like Firefox, kernel oopses are usually a kernel issue regardless of the program triggering it. You

Re: firefox

2010-04-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/12/2010 05:42 AM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: The safaribooksonline.com website uses flash heavily. In the past I have had firefox crash repeatedly on this site. Quick note: Firefox 3.6.x will be pushed out as an update in sometime, features out of progress plugins. Essentially, if

Re: firefox

2010-04-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/12/2010 06:02 AM, Mail Lists wrote: On 04/11/2010 08:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Quick note: Firefox 3.6.x will be pushed out as an update in sometime, features out of progress plugins. Essentially, if Flash or any other plugin crashes on that version onwards, it will not take

Re: firefox

2010-04-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/12/2010 06:20 AM, Mail Lists wrote: On 04/11/2010 08:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I don't have any memory problems with Firefox. I am also uninterested in switching to a proprietary browser. I have Chromium running on my system to evaluate progress. Whatever works for you

Re: firefox

2010-04-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/12/2010 10:55 AM, Andre Goree wrote: Which parts, exactly, are unacceptable? I'd hope you aren't referring to the mess that happened when Chrome first came out, since that was ratified 2 days later and Google admitted their mistake in having that part in the EULA. Have you read

Re: Busted installer for F13

2010-04-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/15/2010 03:34 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: FC13 has branched from rawhide and has infofeed RSS streams and its own channel on bugzilla. Therefore questions here are probably valid and certainly deserve a polite answer, one without complaining and the wrong list doesn't seem very

Re: gnome-key-manager- seahorse

2010-04-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/16/2010 07:05 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:25:27 -0500 Aaron Konstam wrote: Why would anyone change the name of gnome-key-manager (a name with some meaning) to seahorse (seemingly meaningless)? I think this falls under my theory:

Re: gnome-key-manager- seahorse

2010-04-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/18/2010 07:06 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: As I sometimes am, I am confused by what you say Rahul. The question is not whether Red Hat has a right to replace programs by new ones created by another different team of volunteers. They do. I wasn't answering you. It was a reply to Tom

Re: gnome-key-manager- seahorse

2010-04-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/19/2010 12:52 AM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On the other hand, we do have control over the descriptions in the RPM packages. When this issue came up last fall, I filed a bug to make sure that the word keyring appeared in the description field for seahorse, so that it would at least show

Re: How to make a Live USB running from RAM?

2010-04-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/20/2010 01:32 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: dexter wrote: Add live_ram to the editable boot prompt at runtime or in your kickstart use: bootloader --append=live_ram These are hidden poweruser options use with care ;-) Thank you, it worked. Why is this option not added as an

Re: yum update to rawhide

2010-04-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/20/2010 10:14 AM, Germán A. Racca wrote: Dear list: When Fedora 12 Beta was released, I updated to it with # yum --enablerepo=rawhide upate and nearly every package was changed from package.fc11 to package.fc12. But now, when I run the same command to update to Fedora 13 Beta with

Re: How to make a Live USB running from RAM?

2010-04-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/20/2010 01:00 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: It was in the menu before and caused a lot of confusion and bug reports from users who misunderstood what it meant. Hmmm, so this is another case where inexperienced users damage long time users. Wouldn't

Re: can't create live USB stick with Fedora 12

2010-04-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/20/2010 03:32 PM, Alan Holt wrote: All this methods they are don't working. If you want I can explain. *Ubuntu Live USB creater* - is an official tool to create Live USBs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_USB of Ubuntu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29 from the

Re: btrfs for Fedora 12 and 13 LiveCD/DVD ?

2010-04-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/24/2010 08:08 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, how to make Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 LiveCD/DVD that is btrfs formated and not ext4? What options need to be enables in kicstart file so that livecd-creator makes btrfs iso images? I would like to also have compression enabled after btrfs

Re: Where do I download Release Candidate?

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 07:04 PM, Jesse Palser wrote: Where do I download Release Candidate? The latest RC is at http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/13.RC2/ I recommend subscribing to test list and following the discussions there. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: security update fails

2010-05-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 09:06 PM, Len J wrote: File not found: Error Type: class 'yum.Errors.RepoError' Error Value: Error getting repository data for installed, repository not found File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 3125, in module Try a yum update instead. Rahul --

Re: Uodate confusion.

2010-05-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 07:57 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Today I saw the standard octagon symbol on my top panel indicating updates being available. I clicked on the icon and saw a display saying no updates were available. But the octagon symbol did not disappear. Out of curiosity I ran yum upgrade and

Re: Best backup option

2010-05-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/19/2010 02:20 AM, Jeff Sadino wrote: Hello everyone, I was wondering what everyone's opinion is as to the best command/program to use for backups? I don't need to preserve the partition table, basically just copy files to a backup hard drive. There are several options and I recommend

Re: F13 Delayed-Please Include OpenOffice On LiveCD...

2010-05-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/19/2010 02:28 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 18 May 2010 21:46, Jesse Palser slnth...@aol.com wrote: That makes me sad, OpenOffice should be on LiveCD... The openoffice-core RPM is 238 MB (which is compressed... and not the only necessary component...) The LiveCD is 700MB I'm

Re: F13 Delayed-Please Include OpenOffice On LiveCD...

2010-05-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/19/2010 03:04 AM, birger wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: The Live CD has already been finalized. There will no such changes at this point. Fedora includes very comprehensive locale support and we opted to not include Openoffice.org because

Re: May 17-19 update borked my system

2010-05-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/19/2010 09:52 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wednesday 19 May 2010 08:33 AM, Chris Tyler wrote: Use the command: yum history info I can't find that on F11, is this a new feature? Yes. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: voice with empathy and gtalk on F12

2010-05-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/21/2010 10:42 PM, Adel ESSAFI wrote: hi list I have tried empathy with F10 sucessufully. However, in F12 I could not communicate with voice with my google contacts. There is a short ring and then it stops. do you have any experience with this? regards Adel ps: the version is

Re: Stable packages marked as rawhide

2010-05-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/22/2010 10:13 PM, Vitaly Dolgov wrote: I've seen strange in my system: $ yum list installed | grep rawhide | wc -l 520 But they marked as @rawhide/$releasever, not rawhide Ok. I've downloaded full file list from fedora repo mirror and checked packages: $ yum list installed | grep

Re: Gnome virt-manager

2010-05-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/22/2010 10:41 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:03:27 -0700 Paolo Galtieri wrote: When I tried running the virtual machine manager as a regular user I was prompted for the root password. Ah, but the root password prompt comes from the

Re: Fedora Community Gaming - Why aren't you there?

2010-05-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/23/2010 05:18 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Are we playing the wrong games? (So far we have played bzflag, wesnoth and armacycles and will be playing hedgewars next Saturday. Suggestions are welcome, but for now we are avoiding games that are essentially unplayable with the Fedora graphics

Re: Adjust remaining battery power warning threshold

2010-05-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/23/2010 08:38 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Right now, Gnome shows an alert bubble when I have somewhere between 15 and 20 minutes remaining on battery power (varies). When there's a couple of minutes left, an automatic shutdown gets initiated. I would like to adjust the thresholds. I want

Re: ABRT is not reporting my bugs

2010-05-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/24/2010 08:15 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Several times I had ABRT claim that my kernel oops report was succesfully uploaded, yet I cannot find the bug reports in Bugzilla. I have my Bugzilla login ID and password set in the bugzilla ABRT plugin. I don't think my oops reports are going

Re: ABRT is not reporting my bugs

2010-05-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/25/2010 04:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ok. Oh, and I did poke around the plugin -- it is indeed sending the oopses to kerneloops. It's a bit misleading, since the fields I get to fill in, before submitting the report, are Bugzilla fields, leading me to believe that's where the oops is

Re: Ext4 anomalies.

2010-05-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, George R Goffe wrote: Howdy, I have had my FC12 system installed since February this year and have experienced this particular problem twice so far. The problem does NOT happen frequently... Just long enough for me to become complacent that it was a fluke. Files in

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2010 09:51 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:24 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Voice your opinion on the websites[1] list. [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites I'm not joining that list to say one thing: The new Get

Re: F13 image checksums

2010-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 12:34 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Are the sha256sum checksums of the various downloadable images (both install and live) available anywhere other than within the downloads themselves? If not, why not? https://fedoraproject.org/en/verify Rahul -- users mailing list

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: A...you poor thing. Ed, stop being so patronizing. It doesn't help the conversation. As someone else pointed outthe View full list of options for getting Fedora ... http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options is incomplete. One

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 10:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Climb down from your high horse for a moment and stop being so much a word police and the defender of anyone with a fedoraproject.org email address. If I (or anyone else) can't use a simple BS without the fear that someone is going to go on a pity

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: So, you are the list moderator? And who trashed anything? I don't see the need for being a list moderator to point this out but if you want me to play that role, I can take that up. For someone who is on guard for the tone of the conversation to not

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 11:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I don't want this to be a best effort affair either. Either he undertakes the job full time or not at all. As part of the project I would also hope that he updates the list guidelines to indicate what words or phrases that we are not to use. I can

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 12:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: I was just there 3 minutes ago Rahul, and there is still as yet, no way to follow that site to a get torrents page, and the site Patience. The patch was just submitted sometime back and it takes time to get it synced, translations updated etc.

Re: root password prompts

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 11:47 AM, Mike McCarty wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: IOW it remembers it by logging it. How else would it do it except by recording it in a file? I'm not interested in argumentation. It does not remember passwords, period. I am not sure how you can declare

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 12:32 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Then I guess I am a rude person Bruno. I am not a developer, I'm 50 years too late for that, I wrote my ground breaking SW 15 to 30+ years ago. You don't have to be a developer to provide constructive feedback or even contribute to improving a

Re: root password prompts

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 12:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: I have seen claims on this list that the root password is remembered for a small amount of time so you don't keep getting asked. That has never worked for me, but I assumed it was just because I was running a non-standard session and was missing

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 01:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Then what precisely are you offering to do when you said I don't see the need for being a list moderator to point this out but if you want me to play that role, I can take that up.? It was a potential consideration on a best effort basis. Noone

Re: root password prompts

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 02:42 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: I'm aware of that information. Well, it seems that I was not clear enough in my statement. There is no lack of clarity. When people refer to sudo remembering passwords, they are certainly referring to the functionality and not the

Re: How does F13 work with nvidia hardware ?

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 02:45 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: nouveau does work fine... If you have one screen, or two screens and like spanning desktops (with the second to the right of the first). If you (like I) prefer separate desktops (so I can put a virtual machine on the second monitor) and the second

Re: root password prompts

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 03:30 PM, Andrew Parker wrote: I disagree. Nit picking details in this industry is essential for progress and understanding. Defending flawed terminology that imply security holes when they don't exist is foolish. I would like to thank Mike for his explanations, I for one have

Re: Live CD without a CD reader?

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/27/2010 07:10 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: As a matter of interest, is there any way of running the Fedora-13 KDE Live CD from the ISO file, on a machine without a CD reader? You can use a USB key. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 04:53 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: So, you are suggesting that existing users that are aware of http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ bookmark those pages, yes? What about newcomers to Linux and Fedora? How would they determine they should bookmark these pages?

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 05:12 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Activities doesn't mean much to me either. The design isn't based on a single user, especially not skewed towards technical users. It is based on a survey that suggests that activities are better leading term than spins for new users. Rahul --

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 05:16 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/28/2010 07:34 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora - click on all download methods Oh, FWIW, I just saw that link. It was hidden from view on my desktop. Yeah. I think there is a slight mis

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 05:22 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Am I the only one who completely missed this link? I spent at least five minutes flipping through the pages, going back and forth in circles, looking for the torrent link, before throwing up my hands in disgust and jumping to Google. Depends on

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 05:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: So, I think you are saying that non-technical users are more likely to go to Activities to see what that is all about than go to Spins. In other words, since they wouldn't know what spin means...they wouldn't have any curiosity and click on the tab.

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 05:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2010 07:23:50 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: Activity and a Spin? If so, what is the difference? If not, why not just have a Spin tab? Seems to me it would be more consistent. And beside which, newbie users probably don't know

Re: Surprises on upgrading to F13

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 06:25 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: No luck. I reinstalled and get the same error. yum check gives: $ sudo yum check Loaded plugins: changelog, fastestmirror, merge-conf, presto, protectbase, refresh-packagekit rb_libtorrent-0.14.10-1.fc12.x86_64 has missing requires of

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 07:09 AM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: We could call it what it really is -- Live CDs or Task Live CDs or even Live Media. Except that spins can be non-live media as well. There is also the differentiation that spins are generally available as torrent only. Anyway this

Re: Surprises on upgrading to F13

2010-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2010 06:30 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: That did it. I see the downgrade installs the F13 version of rb_libtorrent. Long story but I am trying to get this fixed now http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2214538 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3767#preview

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 07:40 AM, Mike Fedyk wrote: My recommendation is after the designer SIG has hashed it over, attempt getting feedback from the intended audience, and that audience is the users list and then the general public. Users list is just one among several possible places. As you

Re: RSS for F13 updates

2010-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 05:11 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: What's the appropriate contact to request new feeds at: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/infofeed/ Should I file an RFE in bugzilla? webmaster AT fedoraproject.org Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Omega live -

2010-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 12:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: Is there an Omega Live version of F-13 [for USB flash drive] to be available and if so when? I am hoping to do a initial release before next week. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 04:52 AM, David Boles wrote: SHUT UP! None of you was here when this was talked about? Since October? And now you want to bitch becasue the site does NOT fit YOUR needs. REALLY! [Snipped] Calm down. The thread has moved towards more constructive feedback and we do want to

Re: F13 install problem (/dev/fd0 error)

2010-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 08:15 AM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: OK, I was an idiot. I took about 20 minutes yesterday looking for a way to disable the floppy. Today, it jumped out at me. Doh! I might suggest that timing out the attempt to query a floppy and moving on might be a wise for the developers

Re: Desktop effects -- yeah!

2010-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 08:52 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: For the first time ever, I have eye candy, thanks to mesa-dri-drivers-experimental, on my laptop with an NV40 chip. Kudos all around. This is quite an accomplishment. I assume you are referring to Compiz here. Have you tried GNOME Shell? # yum

Re: Desktop effects -- yeah!

2010-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 09:02 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: HI Is there a shot of what this would look like before I try this.. #yum install gnome-shell I am running FC 12 yet.. Waiting for the downloads to quiet down before I upgrade. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Gnome-shell-f13.png Rahul --

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2010 10:34 PM, g wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: snip Depends on when you did it. As I indicated before, there was some recent changes done in response to feedback here. which would have been unnecessary if web page designers had posted a link to this list notifying

Re: Regarding Get Fedora page

2010-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/30/2010 10:38 AM, g wrote: posting notification and a link to new page design to all list can help in prevention because if someone does complain, it is a simple matter to point out that notice was given and comments were requested. As already pointed out, feedback was requested as

Re: Omega live -

2010-05-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/31/2010 09:39 PM, BeartoothBBB wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2010 08:34:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: [] I look forward to it. Ditto! And will preupgrade work on it?? Yep. As much as in Fedora. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Installing F13

2010-06-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/30/2010 12:10 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Definitely. Best back up /home and create a new partition once and for all. While you're at it, make sure /boot is at least 500MB in case you want to use preupgrade in the future. FYI, /boot is 500 MB by default in Fedora 13, precisely to

Re: Installing F13

2010-06-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/30/2010 01:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Supposedly /boot cannot be ext4 as it's not yet supported by Grub, so I don't know how you got that to work. Till Fedora 11, this was the case. Fedora 12 onwards can support Ext4 in a boot partition because GRUB has been patched to

Re: FC13 infofeed RSS coming?

2010-06-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2010 03:24 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I normally follow updates to official releases on the infofeed RSS, since it tells me not only what was changed but for new apps, what the app does. Hopefully now there will be one for FC13 as well. Websites team have added one now. Rahul

Re: Chromium by default?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/01/2010 01:54 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Chrome/Chromium browser has more than 70 million users[3], much more than Fedora itself, for me that proves it is a good and stable browser. I think that assertion is wrong. Firefox has more users but more importantly, the large majority of

Re: netinst images: What's the point?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 09:01 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: Well sure enough, I tried several different options in anaconda under virtualbox and it asked me to init my nic every time. At this point I don't know if it's a problem of using the livecd tools, which is unlikely, or that it doesn't see the nic on

Re: Chromium by default?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 09:35 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: However, that is google-chrome - I have not tried spots repo for a while but when I first tried it it was far less functional than google-chrome - cannot tell you why (java flash problems primarily if I recall). You are just making my point

Re: Chromium by default?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 09:52 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: I dont understand your point. I am encouraging us and to advance chrome and/or chromium - either or both of working with google to allow fedora to distribute it - or/and advancing spots repo so it can be in regular f14 or sooner. If that is

Re: Chromium by default?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 10:03 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Good issues - so how do you propose fedora devs et al can engage to help advance chrome in linux - it is in googles interest and ours. The list of issues in that tracker comes from Spot's work with Google. If anyone is interested to help,

Re: Why are 0 karma updates still being released?

2010-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2010 10:28 AM, Darr wrote: I think few people are aware of the fedora-easy-karma package, let alone the workings of bodhi. If a package does not get negative karma, I think the 2-week-wait / push-to-stable treatment is reasonable. YMMV. With the exception of critical security

Re: Managing debuginfo repos and packages

2010-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/05/2010 06:10 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: I would like to keep this auto update feature of debuginfo packages, but is there someway I could tell the plugin not to enable the debuginfo repos for all repositories, just the ones with installed debuginfo packages? You might have to just file

Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.

2010-06-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/05/2010 07:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ...

Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.

2010-06-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/05/2010 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Thanks Rahul, but which Wiki page? https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ doesn't say this, and neither do the rpm info and the README in the package, so they would also need to be changed. And how many people are going to look at the Rawhide

Re: Omega live -

2010-06-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/06/2010 11:19 PM, Beartooth wrote: Actually even better. I clicked the gpk-viewer icon; it did its normal thing *and* also popped a box up telling me the preupgrade was available, and asking if I wanted it. Very nice! Many, many thanks! That happens with standard

Re: Omega live -

2010-06-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/07/2010 12:43 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: Is Omega 13 available? If it is Google doesn't know it is. Where do I for my copy? I have yet to build a ISO image. If you have already have Fedora 12 installed, a preupgrade prompt will guide you through a upgrade to Fedora 13 + all the

Re: Invoking a nonexistent application in F13 causes a pause

2010-06-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/07/2010 01:22 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: Coincidentally seeing this thread, and wondering too about this pause effect, I removed PackageKit-command-not-found. But I get some error if entering a command which bash does not find: bac...@x [~]: Bush bash:

Re: Native ZFS in Fedora?

2010-06-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/08/2010 08:35 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Have you heard that it is now possible to compile additional ZFS module? That way Fedora can get native ZFS support. Has anybody done this? If you have please post step by step instructions, much appreciated. Additional links:

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