Re: PCI-E to PS2

[murph nj]

The system that I built in 2020 has a PS/2 port, and an IBM model M
works great on it.

I've also had good luck with the Monoproce USB-PS/2 adapters on a
variety of systems.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 9:23 AM Tim via users
 wrote:
>
> Tim:
> >> I'm kind of surprised someone still has PS/2 keyboard/mouse that they'd
> >> like to keep using.
>
> ToddAndMargo:
> > One word.  It is a "Unicomp".  Best typist keyboard ever made.
>
> I was always partial to the IBM Selectric typewriter keyboards.  But,
> these days, I'm using $30 mechanical gaming cheapies from Kmart.  For a
> touch-typist (me) they're reasonably good.  Better than many of the
> pretend high quality $100+ ones you see in many stores.  They're
> probably *ALL* made for $3 in China, anyway.  About the only things
> I'd complain about them on them are too noisy and too sharp edges on
> the keys.  I do prefer keyboards that clunk rather than squoosh, but
> clackety-clack ones drive me around the bend.
>
> You might just have to try a few different *active* converters, then.
> Or, go the whole hog, and get one of those overblown Raspberry Pi kits
> just used as a keyboard converter.
>
> That, or get yourself a newer Unicomp...
>
> At least an old-school keyboard doesn't have those extra media keys
> which are a non-standard extension to deal with.  Though the really old
> ones are the 5-pin DIN connectors (XT/AT), not PS/2, and may require
> more power to run.
>
> I was surprised that my 2017/2018-era motherboard still had PS/2 ports
> on it.  I dunno if any motherboards have hidden ones (jumpers on the
> motherboard for a flylead to a socket panel).  Daughterboard PCI-E
> interfaces may allow you to use PS/2 keyboards once booted up, but
> aren't likely to be working before that.  Boot menus may be a problem.
> You could keep a crappy cheapy USB keyboard stashed away for if you
> need to change BIOS or UEFI settings.
>
> --
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> uname -rsvp
> Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[murph nj]

If you're still not interested in the QEMU/Libvirt route, this news
may interest you, might lead to better compatibility.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300317

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob  wrote:
>
> All;
>
>
> I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I
> have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support
> Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly
> just works.
>
> I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's
>
>
> I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at
> virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community:
>
>-  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?
>
>
>- does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after
> each kernel and sometimes
> just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?
>
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Mozilla VPN

[murph nj]

I've decided to try a new VPN provider, and figured I'd give Mozilla's
offering a go.

They have a client for Ubuntu, but nothing for Fedora.

I tried installing using the instuctions from this website:

https://blog.radwell.codes/2021/12/install-mozilla-vpn-rpm-from-binary-on-fedora/

Seemed like a solid way to go about it from the Mozilla github pages,
but the end result installs but only gives a blank window when run
from the GUI.  There is a command line interface, but none of what I
tried worked, although I'm still making attempts.

This was both on a virtual machine running Fedora 39 desktop, as well
as my laptop running Kinoite (39 as well)

I can provide more information if anyone has an idea where to go with
this, just let me know.

Thanks,
   --murph
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[murph nj]

If you want to make phone calls to regular phones, you need something like
a SIP service. (Which I know little about)

A more simple alternative, if you look into https://jmp.chat they have a
free-software-friendly service that allows phone calls and SMS over XMPP
which might prove easier to set up.  (This is a paid service, but telecom
services cost money, so there's probably no easy way around paying someone,
somewhere.)



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> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:35:32 +
>  wrote:
>
> > In the good-ol' days when i ran centos, it was (indeed) Jitsi-client
> > (not jitsi-meet), Ekiga, or linphone. But it sounds that you're not
> > looking for a real client, but an webrtc package...
>
> Actually, I think I am looking for a voip client.  I'm a noob in this,
> so I'm not even sure that I can make that claim, but I think I can.  I
> don't think I'm looking for webrtc, as that is text based, isn't it.  I
> want to be able to make calls to telephone numbers via my PC.  I would
> use a headset with headphones and mic, and talk as if I was on a phone.
> I assume there would be some numberpad interface, call log, and contact
> list, just like on a smartphone.
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Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland

[murph nj]

Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this.

Install Tweaks through "Software" or
dnf install gnome-tweaks

Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section.
The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button.
There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc, ctrl, or
my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard
which does not have one.

No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution.



On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes 
wrote:

> Hi gys,
> I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not need 
> (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling system 
> wide, and how to get it working again?
>
> Regards
>
> Joachim Backes
>
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Re: More space needed on the / filesystem to upgrade from F37 to F38

[murph nj]

The last few upgrades I've done have taken about an hour, and run very
successfully.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 2:33 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 04/30/2023 12:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > It does take forever though, and it does download all the rpms
> > it needs for the upgrade first, so it needs a lot of free space.
>
> So you start it late in the day and let the actual upgrade run overnight.
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Re: What is needed to mock build for rhel+epel on Fedora?

[murph nj]

> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:00 PM Barry Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> What do I need to setup to allow mock to build for rhel+epel on Fedora?
>>
>> I'm getting this error:
>>
>> $ mock -r rhel+epel-8-x86_64 --print-root
>> ERROR: /etc/pki/entitlement is not a directory is subscription-manager
>> installed?
>
>
You could also get a developer subscription for RHEL if you like.  16
devices for free. (IIRC)

 https://developers.redhat.com/

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Re: Kernel 5.18 Test Week 2022-06-05 through 2022-06-11

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I ran a bunch again, but this time I didn't get back any of the
notifications.  I hope they went through.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 7:35 AM Luna Jernberg  wrote:

> done worked on my laptop, had only energy and time to test 1 day of 7,5
> this time around
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:19 PM Luna Jernberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey!
>>
>> Running the tests today (the last day) been having too much to do and not
>> feelt the best earlier this and last week
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 1:28 PM murph nj  wrote:
>>
>>> I did enough that I should have gotten to Kernel Tester IV in the last
>>> Kernel test week.   I submitted them with my account, and got back
>>> the notifications stating that the tests were run.
>>> I'll start working on this round, but it would be good to see that
>>> nudged along.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --murph
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:56 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM murph nj 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey there:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 4:23 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 5.18
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Needless to say, you will get a badge for participating in all
>>>>>> activities talked about in this email!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel that badges are the most important thing in the process,
>>>>> but they are a fun incentive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the badges get counted for last Kernel test week, in Mid-april?  I
>>>>> did a bunch, and didn't see a badge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>   --murph
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey, Thanks for helping out!
>>>> We have Kernel Science Tester badge given out after a few sets of
>>>> successful report submission.
>>>> Make sure to submit your log file by signing in to
>>>> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/kerneltest.
>>>> Submission should trigger the badge allocation... but if it doesn't let
>>>> me know after the test week, I need to
>>>> file things to the badges team.
>>>>
>>>> We have a Kernel Test Week Participation badge is underway as well
>>>> https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/622
>>>>
>>>> Happy Testing!
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Kernel 5.18 Test Week 2022-06-05 through 2022-06-11

[murph nj]

I did enough that I should have gotten to Kernel Tester IV in the last
Kernel test week.   I submitted them with my account, and got back
the notifications stating that the tests were run.
I'll start working on this round, but it would be good to see that nudged
along.

Thanks,
--murph

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:56 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:08 PM murph nj  wrote:
>
>> Hey there:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 4:23 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 5.18
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Needless to say, you will get a badge for participating in all
>>> activities talked about in this email!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't feel that badges are the most important thing in the process, but
>> they are a fun incentive.
>>
>> Did the badges get counted for last Kernel test week, in Mid-april?  I
>> did a bunch, and didn't see a badge.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   --murph
>>
>
> Hey, Thanks for helping out!
> We have Kernel Science Tester badge given out after a few sets of
> successful report submission.
> Make sure to submit your log file by signing in to
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/kerneltest.
> Submission should trigger the badge allocation... but if it doesn't let me
> know after the test week, I need to
> file things to the badges team.
>
> We have a Kernel Test Week Participation badge is underway as well
> https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/622
>
> Happy Testing!
>
>
> --
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Re: Kernel 5.18 Test Week 2022-06-05 through 2022-06-11

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Hey there:




On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 4:23 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 5.18
>


> Needless to say, you will get a badge for participating in all
> activities talked about in this email!
>
>
>


I don't feel that badges are the most important thing in the process, but
they are a fun incentive.

Did the badges get counted for last Kernel test week, in Mid-april?  I did
a bunch, and didn't see a badge.

Thanks,
  --murph
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Re: LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

When I try to umount them: /home and /other show as not mounted.  / on the
other hand, says busy.

There are 4 entries in crypttab, the two listed by name above, presumably
/, and I don't know what the other is.  It is only listed by uuid, not
sure how to correlate it to a mounted drive.

When I got the output of /proc/mounts, lots of logical entries, and "/"
Appeared to be the only real partition mounted.  (proc, sysfs, none, and
many more were there)

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:33 PM Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 12/4/21 19:15, murph nj wrote:
> >
> >
> > Got another opportunity, redirected lsof /home and lsof /other to
> > files, and there was no output.
>
>
> Interesting... Is there an error if you try to unmount those yourself?
>
>
> > I did get output from systemctl-list-jobs (edited lightly)
> >
> > JOB  UNIT  TYPE  STATE
> > 6039 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dshome.service  stop  running
> > 6068 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2de8.service stop  running
> > 6055 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dsother.service  stop  running
> > 6047 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2d23.service stop  running
>
>
> Home and other make sense given your earlier comment, but what are the
> other two?  Do the number of entries in /etc/crypttab match the number
> of LUKS partitions?  (What's in /proc/mounts during the failed shutdown?)



When I try to umount them: /home and /other show as not mounted.  / on the
other hand, says busy.

There are 4 entries in crypttab, the two listed by name above, presumably
/, and I don't know what the other is.  It is only listed by uuid, not
sure how to correlate it to a mounted drive.

When I got the output of /proc/mounts, (from the console when it
was failing to shut down) lots of logical entries, and "/"  Appeared to be
the only real partition mounted.  (proc, sysfs, none, and many more were
there)
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Re: LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:33 PM Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 12/4/21 19:15, murph nj wrote:
> >
> >
> > Got another opportunity, redirected lsof /home and lsof /other to
> > files, and there was no output.
>
>
> Interesting... Is there an error if you try to unmount those yourself?
>
>
Remember, all of the output (and the command line I'm typing on) is
immediately erased by the cylon eye, so I'll try (next time it does it) and
try to redirect stdout, and stderr to a file, typing blind.


>
> > I did get output from systemctl-list-jobs (edited lightly)
> >
> > JOB  UNIT  TYPE  STATE
> > 6039 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dshome.service  stop  running
> > 6068 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2de8.service stop  running
> > 6055 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dsother.service  stop  running
> > 6047 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2d23.service stop  running
>
>
> Home and other make sense given your earlier comment, but what are the
> other two?  Do the number of entries in /etc/crypttab match the number
> of LUKS partitions?  (What's in /proc/mounts during the failed shutdown?)
>
>
I think they do line up, I'll do my best to confirm, and get the
information from /proc/mounts.
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Re: LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 2:06 PM Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 12/1/21 18:03, murph nj wrote:
> >
> > lsof showed nothing that I could see.
>
>
> Nothing, or nothing interesting?  I'd expect you to at least see the CWD
> of the debug shell.
>
>
Got another opportunity, redirected lsof /home and lsof /other to files,
and there was no output.


>
> > The stop job rotates between four mounted volumes, and the
> > lvm2-monitor.service.
>
>
> In the past, I've seen lvm2-monitor behave badly in reaction to logical
> volumes (block devices) used for VMs that used LVM internally.  Do you
> have any logical volumes that aren't used for those four mounted volumes?
>
>
No LVM, as mentioned earlier


>
> > systemctl status doesn't seem to display much, but the stop job (and
> > cylon eye) keep overwriting everything, making it really hard to see
> > the output.
>
>
> Several suggestions: Chris suggested that you check "systemctl
> list-jobs".  The contents of /proc/mounts might be interesting. I'd run
> "lsof /path" where path is the longest mount point path of the volumes
> still listed in /proc/mounts.
>

I did get output from systemctl-list-jobs (edited lightly)

JOB  UNIT
 TYPE  STATE
5788 poweroff.target
  start waiting
6039 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dshome.service  stop
 running
5790 shutdown.target
start waiting
6031 final.target
 start waiting
6068 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2de8.service stop
 running
6055 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dsother.service  stop
 running
6013 lvm2-monitor.service
stop  running
6047 systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2d23.service stop
 running
6032 umount.target
 start waiting
5789 systemd-poweroff.service
start waiting

10 jobs listed.
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Re: LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 2:06 PM Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 12/1/21 18:03, murph nj wrote:
> >
> > lsof showed nothing that I could see.
>
>
> Nothing, or nothing interesting?  I'd expect you to at least see the CWD
> of the debug shell.
>
>
The error messages were continuously overwriting everything in the shell.
If it was a single line, I may not have been able to read it.

>
> > The stop job rotates between four mounted volumes, and the
> > lvm2-monitor.service.
>
>
> In the past, I've seen lvm2-monitor behave badly in reaction to logical
> volumes (block devices) used for VMs that used LVM internally.  Do you
> have any logical volumes that aren't used for those four mounted volumes?
>
>
No LVM on this system.  (I don't recall why, I'm not averse to LVM, but
this one doesn't have it.)


>
> > systemctl status doesn't seem to display much, but the stop job (and
> > cylon eye) keep overwriting everything, making it really hard to see
> > the output.
>
>
> Several suggestions: Chris suggested that you check "systemctl
> list-jobs".  The contents of /proc/mounts might be interesting. I'd run
> "lsof /path" where path is the longest mount point path of the volumes
> still listed in /proc/mounts.
>
>

I'll give it a shot next time it hangs up on shutdown.  Any ideas on how to
make the error messages abate (in the debug shell) so that I can read these
things more easily?

Thanks,
  --murph
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Re: LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 8:35 PM Chris Murphy 
wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:13 PM Gordon Messmer 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/30/21 12:41, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > Seems likely to me some service is not quitting properly, preventing /
> > > from being unmounted
> >
> >
> > If that were the case, there might be information about an exit failure
> > in the log.  On the next boot, "journalctl -b -1" might have useful info.
> >
> > I also wonder if enabling sysrq and using sysrq+'t' would help determine
> > which process is stuck:
>
> It might but it's also really verbose, so for starters "systemctl
> list-jobs" is the path of least resistance I suspect. Report suggests
> the systemd cylon eye, which suggests a job is running and not exiting
> as you say, so list the jobs and then do a systemctl status on each
> one of them to find out what they are up to.
>
>



> Well, I finally enabled the shell, and it (as it is intermittent) hung up
on shutdown.

lsof showed nothing that I could see.

The stop job rotates between four mounted volumes, and the
lvm2-monitor.service.
(The lvm2.monitor finally stopped, the volumes have not)

systemctl status doesn't seem to display much, but the stop job (and cylon
eye) keep overwriting everything, making it really hard to see the output.

Perhaps let me let everyone off the hook though.  I was thinking about it,
and started digging into the logs.  This system has been upgraded up from
at least Fedora 30, my dnf logs start in 2019-06.  (It may even predate
that, not sure)

So, as far as dragging people through debugging seems somewhat futile to
me, unless collectively you think that it is worthwhile to pursue this.
I'm game if this can help the Fedora community, but the system is working,
I can back up, and do a fresh install after a long time of good service
after so many upgrades.  (I've done all of them, and even switched to the
beta track when it got close a few times)


Any thoughts?
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Re: [Test Week] Fedora Linux Kernel 5.15 2021-11-14 through 2021-11-21

[murph nj]

Funny, after I posted this, I found where the email acknowledgements for
the tests came in, and then, a flood of badge messages as well.  So,
problem solved.  If someone did something in the background, thanks!

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:02 PM murph nj  wrote:

> Not that the badges are the important part, they are fun, so here's a
> question.
>
> How does one find out if the suite was run correctly?  I ran them in the
> past, both by running it with the .config file with my credentials, as well
> as putting it in the testday wiki.  (I think the 5.10, or maybe earlier?)
> Is one or the other sufficient?
>
> Never got the badge, nor do I recall any kind of feedback as to it being
> accepted and useful.  I've run one this time as well.
>
> I'm still running it, and happy to do so to help the cause, but the badge
> would be fun as well.
>
> Thanks,
>   --murph
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 5.15
>> Test week is happening from 2021-11-14 to 2021-11-21. It's
>> fairly simple, head over to the wiki [0] and read in detail about the
>> test week and simply run the test case mentioned in[1] and enter your
>> results.
>>
>> As usual, the Fedora QA team will hangout at #fedora-test-...@libera.chat
>> for question and
>> discussion.
>>
>> If you are someone who is just starting out, remember that we give out
>> badges[2] for
>> testing new Kernel Builds!
>> Collect 'em now :)
>>
>> [0]
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-11-14_Kernel_5.15_Test_Week
>> [1] https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/125
>> [2] https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/science-kernel-tester-i
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> //sumantro
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Re: [Test Week] Fedora Linux Kernel 5.15 2021-11-14 through 2021-11-21

[murph nj]

Not that the badges are the important part, they are fun, so here's a
question.

How does one find out if the suite was run correctly?  I ran them in the
past, both by running it with the .config file with my credentials, as well
as putting it in the testday wiki.  (I think the 5.10, or maybe earlier?)
Is one or the other sufficient?

Never got the badge, nor do I recall any kind of feedback as to it being
accepted and useful.  I've run one this time as well.

I'm still running it, and happy to do so to help the cause, but the badge
would be fun as well.

Thanks,
  --murph

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sumantro Mukherjee 
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> Hey All,
>
> I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 5.15
> Test week is happening from 2021-11-14 to 2021-11-21. It's
> fairly simple, head over to the wiki [0] and read in detail about the
> test week and simply run the test case mentioned in[1] and enter your
> results.
>
> As usual, the Fedora QA team will hangout at #fedora-test-...@libera.chat
> for question and
> discussion.
>
> If you are someone who is just starting out, remember that we give out
> badges[2] for
> testing new Kernel Builds!
> Collect 'em now :)
>
> [0]
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-11-14_Kernel_5.15_Test_Week
> [1] https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/125
> [2] https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/science-kernel-tester-i
>
>
>
> --
> //sumantro
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LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

I'm having an issue shutting down.  Fedora 34, just updated to 35, same
problem.  (It was around in 33 as well, I've been putting up with it.)  I
know that there is another list for beta versions, but this issue was there
in the current version as well.

Somewhere around 1 out of every 10 shutdowns,  the system goes down to
"[ OK ] Reached target System Shutdown", but then,
"[ *** ] a stop job is running for Cryptography setup for luks-"

It typically goes for about 1/2 hour if I don't get fed up, and hold the
power button down.

I just saw after that 1/2 hour:
[Time] Timed out starting System Reboot
Forcibly Rebooting: job timed out.
audit: type=1334.

I still had to power it off.  On reboot, it seems OK.


I haven't found anything interesting in /var/log/messages regarding it.

Any suggestions to further troubleshooting?

Thanks,
  --murph
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LUKS on shutdown.

[murph nj]

I'm having an issue shutting down.  Fedora 34, just updated to 35, same
problem.  (It was around in 33 as well, I've been putting up with it.)

Somewhere around 1 out of 10 shutdowns,  the system goes down to "[ OK ]
Reached target System Shutdown", but then,
[ *** ] a stop job is running for Cryptography setup for luks-

It typically goes for about 1/2 hour if I don't get fed up, and hold the
power button down.

I just saw after that 1/2 hour:
[Time] Timed out starting System Reboot
Forcibly Rebooting: job timed out.
audit: type=1334.

I still had to power it off.  On reboot, it seems OK.


I haven't found anything interesting in /var/log/messages regarding it.

Any suggestions to further troubleshooting?

Thanks,
  --murph
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Lenovo reputation.

[murph nj]

Richard: (and/or anyone else with strong feelings about Lenovo)

I have a question regarding your experience with Lenovo.

I have always had a problem with the "Superfish" incident that they
had a few years ago.  Of course that particular invasive spyware was
Windows-only, but what happens if they decide to target Linux users
with similar malicious software.

In other words, do you trust them to have reformed in this regard, and why?

Thanks,
  --murph

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>
> I think calling Lenovo a "joke" considering how much progress they've
> made in the last 18 months is a huge mischaracterization. I buy Lenovo
> and I've been Linux-exclusive for about the last 15 years.
>
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Re: Fedora Zoom? -

[murph nj]

You also may be able to use the web interface.  I've used it successfully.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:48 PM Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> I have a request from the VA to do a video interview rather than the
> usual secure text messages.
>
> "Do you have the ability to do a video appointment (you would need a
> computer with a camera or a tablet or a smartphone)."
>
> We have iPhones etc. that might work but my daughter suggests that I
> need 'Zoom' on my Fedora 32 computer since I have trouble with the
> smaller mobile devices. Is there a Linux equivalent application I can
> run from my desktop workstation?
>
> Bob
>
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Re: Motherboard recommendations

[murph nj]

I just put together a new machine for myself.

ASRock B450M Pro 4  (you have to make sure that a firmware update was done
on the board for this CPU, early ones were not ready for the newer CPU)
Ryzen 7 3700X
(I used my existing nVidia 750Ti card, which requires their
proprietary drivers.)

Everything seems to work flawlewssy.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:17 AM Fulko Hew  wrote:

>
> I'm looking for the best bang for my buck, and of course
> Linux (Fedora) compatibility.  My criteria are simple:
> - inexpensive
> - best bang for the buck
> - must have PCIe 3.0 x 16 slot
>
> If I pick Intel based, I'm pretty much assured everything will work,
> but it seems that going AMD will get me better bang-for-the-buck,
> but ... will all the parts work with Linux?
>
> I'm currently looking at a Gigabyte B450M DS3H with an AMD Ryzen 5 3600
> CPU.
>
> Does anyone have experience with it, or can recommend anything else
> comparable and 'current'.
>
> Thanks
> Fulko
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:52 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>
> Symbolic links missing on / (/bin->/usr/bin and such).
> /bin/bash missing or corrupted.
> /lib64/ libraries missing or corrupted.
> systemd itself missing, pivot root attempts to run systemd and that
> may be what is failing, but you don't really know what the underlying
> cause is for it to fail.
>
> What exactly was the "improper shutdown"
>
> The easiest way to debug is to livecd boot it mount up the old
> filessystems on say /oldroot (rootfs) mount /oldroot/usr for usr and
> so forth and then cd /oldroot and do a "chroot ."
>
> I would expect the chroot . to fail with some sort of error that may
> hint at what is broken.
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:15 AM murph nj  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:07 PM Tony Nelson  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Usually, when it all goes wrong just after pivot-root, there is a
> > > problem with the new (real) root.  Exactly how it goes wrong is not
> > > useful.  I would look hard at whatever is mounted at /sysroot.  It
> > > should be what you expect / (root) to be, but mounted ro at that point
> > > (`cat /proc/mounts` should show it mounted at /sysroot (see `man 5
> > > fstab`
> > > for format); `ls -l /sysroot` should show the contents you expect).
> > > (All off the top of my head; I haven't rebooted to test.)

I was able to mount all of the boot drives, and it seemed OK, I
couldn't see anything that was out of order.

Unfortunately, I'm going to need this laptop next weekend, so my
journey of discovery on this is going to have to end, since I couldn't
fix it, I'll have to reload.  We gave it a shot though, and I have
some new things to try for other potential issues.

Again thanks for the help.

  --murph
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

[murph nj]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:52 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>
> Symbolic links missing on / (/bin->/usr/bin and such).
> /bin/bash missing or corrupted.
> /lib64/ libraries missing or corrupted.
> systemd itself missing, pivot root attempts to run systemd and that
> may be what is failing, but you don't really know what the underlying
> cause is for it to fail.
>
> What exactly was the "improper shutdown"

A failing battery (I think) caused it to shut down when I wasn't
ready, and didn't shut down properly.  Then I accidentally opened the
lid, which started it again, and it again shut down cold.  I wouldn't
think that would corrupt things, but it's all I have for now.

I'll dig into this tomorrow probably.


>
> The easiest way to debug is to livecd boot it mount up the old
> filessystems on say /oldroot (rootfs) mount /oldroot/usr for usr and
> so forth and then cd /oldroot and do a "chroot ."
>
> I would expect the chroot . to fail with some sort of error that may
> hint at what is broken.
>

I'll try that.

Thanks.
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

[murph nj]

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:07 PM Tony Nelson  wrote:
>
> Usually, when it all goes wrong just after pivot-root, there is a
> problem with the new (real) root.  Exactly how it goes wrong is not
> useful.  I would look hard at whatever is mounted at /sysroot.  It
> should be what you expect / (root) to be, but mounted ro at that point
> (`cat /proc/mounts` should show it mounted at /sysroot (see `man 5
> fstab`
> for format); `ls -l /sysroot` should show the contents you expect).
> (All off the top of my head; I haven't rebooted to test.)
>
Thanks.  That gives me something to examine.  I'm working tonight,
will probably dig back in to this tomorrow.
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

[murph nj]

Tony:

Can you give me some insight as to what the boot process does next
AFTER that pivot point?  The output I'm getting isn't enlightening me,
and I'm not quite sure where to look next.

I can just reinstall, but I'm trying to learn more about how to
recover from errors, instead of taking the east way out.

Thanks,
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:08 AM sixpack13  wrote:
>
> e2fsck is for ext -partitions
> AFAIK /boot/efi is fat !


You are correct.  I already checked, all the partitions are fine.
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Tony Nelson  wrote:
>

>
> It dies trying to pivot-root, so add to the kernel command line
>
>  rd.break=pre-pivot
>

Interesting.  I was able to drop to a shell.  I took a look at the
journal, and it looked like a possible hibernation problem, so I took
that out of the kernel line.  Still panicked.  I'll have to pick this
up tomorrow afternoon.  I'll try to get a dump of the journal then and
send it along.

Thanks for the help so far!
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:42 PM murph nj  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM stan via users
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:05:36 -0400
> > murph nj  wrote:
> >
> > > I was able to mount the drives, and check them, no problems.
> >
> > Did that include the boot partition, where the kernels and initramfs'
> > are?
> >
>
> I had not, but on your suggestion, I did.  And
>

Sorry, responded prematurely.

I meant to say that both the volumes that are mounted as /boot and
/boot/efi check out OK.

thanks,
  --murph
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM stan via users
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:05:36 -0400
> murph nj  wrote:
>
> > I was able to mount the drives, and check them, no problems.
>
> Did that include the boot partition, where the kernels and initramfs'
> are?
>

I had not, but on your suggestion, I did.  And


> > I also took a look at the journals that were left, there was nothing
> > that seemed terribly indicative of the problem.It was all from the
> > last time that it was running normally, nothing was getting written on
> > the failed boot attempts, unfortunately.
>
> Did you remove rhgb and quiet from the kernel boot parameters?  That
> should show you the stream of messages from systemd as the system
> boots, and the error should be near the end of that stream, so it
> should still be on screen when the crash happens.  I think you hit
> space or escape during boot to get the boot menu, and then you can edit
> the line.  I have a timeout, so I always see it.
>

I had not, but I edited from the grub menu, and eliminated them.  I
was then able to see the messages. (I was able to see them previously
by hitting the escape key right after entering my password for the
disks.)

Everything left on the screen after the kernel panic is (too much to type)

https://imgur.com/a/kf81crl


> Does it drop to a dracut or grub prompt?  If it does, it is also
> possible to view the temporary boot logs from there (I think they are
> under /tmp (/var/tmp?)). It's painful because the shell is very limited.
> Use
> ls /bin
> to see the available commands.  I think less is there, as is vi.

Unfortunately, it goes right to a kernel panic, so no prompts at all
to work with.  (I'd have chewed on it more before asking for help if I
had more to work with)
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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I was able to mount the drives, and check them, no problems.  I was
also able to move all of my important data off of the drives to an
external, so I'm not worried about any loss to the data on the drives.
No worries of fatal mistakes anymore.

I also took a look at the journals that were left, there was nothing
that seemed terribly indicative of the problem.It was all from the
last time that it was running normally, nothing was getting written on
the failed boot attempts, unfortunately.




On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 2:56 PM stan via users
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>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 12:33:59 -0400
> murph nj  wrote:
>
> > The power supply was not the problem, it was the battery.  All
> > subsequent testing has been done plugged into power.  It also boots
> > just fine from a USB stick with either Mint or Fedora.
> >
> > There are three kernels available from the boot menu, along with
> > rescue mode.  All of them kernel panic.
>
> Does it get far enough along to put messages in the journal?  You could
> run a boot that fails, then boot from the USB, and mnt the installed
> filesystem (usually under /mnt/sysimage), chroot to /mnt/sysimage, and
> run journalctl -b to look at boot messages.
>
> Before you do that, boot from the USB, and then run a file system check
> on the drives in the system while they are not mounted.  For ext4, that
> would be e2fsck -n -v /dev/sd??, answer no to any queries (make no
> changes), and verbose messages.  If it wants to fix things, and the
> changes look OK, run with -p instead of -n.  See man e2fsck; this is
> your filesystem, you want to know what you are doing; a mistake can be
> fatal.
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Re: Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:45 AM stan via users
 wrote:
>
>
> The switch root is changing from the initramfs to the installed OS.  If
> there is a power problem, it is possible that memory is not working
> properly, and disk reads are erronious.  Fix the power supply before
> you go any further.  Any testing will yield questionable results until
> that is resolved.
>

Thanks for the response.

The power supply was not the problem, it was the battery.  All
subsequent testing has been done plugged into power.  It also boots
just fine from a USB stick with either Mint or Fedora.

There are three kernels available from the boot menu, along with
rescue mode.  All of them kernel panic.

  --murph
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Improper shutdown, now Kernel panic.

[murph nj]

Hi all:

I've got an odd problem that I was hoping for some help on.

The laptop was previously working fine, I am running F30, updated regularly.

I've got an Acer laptop that has been shutting down suddenly. (I
suspect a bad battery, working on that.)

After a sudden shutdown last night, I now get a kernel panic on boot
right after "Starting Switch Root..."

I was able to boot from a USB stick, and was able to read the journal,
but I didn't see anything obvious to help.

I was able to get all of my data off of the (encrypted) disks, so
that's not a problem, but I don't want to just give up, and wash and
reload too quickly.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
  --murph
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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[murph]

It worked for me on wireless last night.  I saw no errors, not sure if
the wireless was started at that stage of the upgrade.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Terry Polzin  wrote:
> So wireless won't cut it eh?
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Sam Varshavchik 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dario Lesca writes:
>>
>>
>>> ott 2017 06:39:15 CEST.
>>> 2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG Impossibile scaricare '
>>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27=x86_64'
>>> : Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host
>>> name for
>>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-
>>
>>
>> Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug. Pretty
>> sure this is bug 1513111.
>>
>> "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network
>> stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite that
>> this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade download".
>>
>> I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.
>>
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Re: wireless mouse dies

[murph]

I had similar sounding problems with a bluetooth mouse, turns out that
the power management was shutting it down.  Take a look at tlp or
powertop if you are using them, and see if you can put a powerdown
exception for your dongle.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Antonio M  wrote:
> sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon as I
> reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!
>
> when mouse is dead
> $ lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> when it works
> [antonio@fujitsu ~]$ lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
> Bus 002 Device 017: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> any idea: shall I file a bug??
> Antonio Montagnani
>
> Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
> inviato da Gmail
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Re: F25 -> F26 -- absolutely NO PROBLEMS!

[murph]

Seconded.  Worked fine for me with a small hitch.  Had to uninstall
Chromium first, upgrade went fine, reinstall Chromium,
back up and running.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:12 PM, SternData
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> At least, so far, it went perfectly. Thank you.
>
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[murph]

Thinkpenguin.com has a model that goes to 1920x1080, no windows.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Temlakos temla...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
 that
 works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?



 Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com.  I haven't bought one from them
 yet, but I'm so tempted ...

 Regards,
 Ben



 ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on
 screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited
 to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that half-def. Until a laptop delivers
 full-def, it will never replace a desktop.

 I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the
 factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me
 whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.

 Temlakos


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Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?

[murph]

Try the poorly-named testdisk to see if it can get any of the old
partition information.  I've had good luck with recovering
accidentally-partitioned disks.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day
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   a friend asks me if there's a way to solve the following, not out of
 any sense of urgency (since there are backups) but more out of a sense
 of curiosity as to whether it can even be done.

   long story short, a 750G drive which *used* to be the primary drive
 in a laptop was replaced with a newer drive, and the older drive was
 reassigned to be the secondary drive, /dev/sdb. in order to
 occasionally copy stuff from the old home directory, this entry was
 added to /etc/fstab on the new system:

   /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4defaults1 2

 so that (obviously) what used to be the home logical volume in the
 old vg1 volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for
 the occasional restoration of old content.

   problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux)
 image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc
 (the USB drive), dded to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G
 of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided
 in that first 2G.

   i have the drive connected to my fedora 20 laptop as /dev/sdb and,
 sure enough:

 $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb

 Disk /dev/sdb: 698.7 GiB, 750156374016 bytes, 1465149168 sectors
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
 Disklabel type: dos
 Disk identifier: 0x

 DeviceBoot Start   End  Blocks  Id System
 /dev/sdb1 * 2048198655   98304   e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
 /dev/sdb2 198656   3481599 1641472  83 Linux
 $

   so while the physical disk correctly shows up as almost 700G, the
 partition table has been replaced by the one from the embedded image,
 rendering the rest of the hard drive inaccessible.

   is there any utility that will scan the drive beyond what is
 referenced by the partition table and try to identify valid logical
 volumes? i don't know anything offhand, so i'm open to suggestions.
 thanks.

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Re: Trying to install to new drive, but drive caddy torked

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Something I've done successfully in the past for small, nearly stripped screws:

Put a drop of crazy glue in the screw.  Put the screwdriver in as
straight as you can and balance against something.  Let dry.  Now try
to get the screw out.

Sounds crazy, but it has worked.   Of course, this is last resort
before drilling it out.

  --murph

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 Right size screwdriver: Phillips #0; I have been doing this for close to 60
 years.  Stripping phillips head screws that is :)
 Heads not stripped. yet.  Being careful.
 Lots of pressure tried.  Including holding screwdriver with wrench and
 trying to turn.  But can't maintain enough downward pressure to get it to
 budge.
 Heads not raised enough to grab with any pliers I own, and I have a lot of
 them.  Maybe try and file the heads square and see if that makes grabbing
 them easier.


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Re: lost cursor.

[murph]

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM, William Mattison wcmatti...@yahoo.com wrote:
 (Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)

 I have two 27-inch monitors on my system.  Occasionally, I lose the
 cursor.  (ok, who's that that I hear snickering out there?!)  I recall years
 ago (two jobs ago) on the Unix system at work, we had a tool called xeyes
 which amounted to a pair of eyes which were always displayed on the monitor
 and always followed the cursor.  It was great.  Just what I need now!  But
 when I launch the Software tool on my system and look for xeyes, it
 doesn't find it.  How do I get xeyes for my 64-bit Fedora-18 system?




Bill:

Not sure about xeyes, but in the mouse control panel, there is an
option to flash the cursor (big concentric circles) when the ctrl key
is pressed.  This may help if you can't find what you're looking for.

  --murph

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