Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/02/2023 05:22 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




You don't create the checksum file.  There's a link to download it.


Aha!  So there is.  Thanx for pointing that out to me.
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 10/2/23 15:06, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/02/2023 03:25 PM, Mike Wright wrote:


If you execute md5sum file.iso you should get a match to that string.
Of course you'd use whatever sum checker that matches.  There are many,
such as sha224sum, sha256sum, sha384sum, sha512sum, md5sum, etc.


The instructions have you creating and checking a sha256sum file, but 
the command that's supposed to create that file fails because the file 
doesn't already exist.


You don't create the checksum file.  There's a link to download it.
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/02/2023 03:25 PM, Mike Wright wrote:


If you execute md5sum file.iso you should get a match to that string.
Of course you'd use whatever sum checker that matches.  There are many,
such as sha224sum, sha256sum, sha384sum, sha512sum, md5sum, etc.


The instructions have you creating and checking a sha256sum file, but 
the command that's supposed to create that file fails because the file 
doesn't already exist.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2023-10-02 at 10:27 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 10/02/2023 04:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I think most people would see that as an install. You aren't
> > keeping
> > anything from the old system other than /home. I've done this more
> > than
> > once without losing /home (as it's on a separate partition) and
> > always
> > regarded it as a fresh install.
> 
> You consider it an install, I think of it as an upgrade.

Fedora also considers it an install. From
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/system-upgrade/


   Automatic upgrade using dnf system upgrade
   
   The preferred way to upgrade your system is an automatic upgrade
   using the dnf system upgrade utility. For information on performing
   an automatic upgrade, see link: Upgrading Fedora using the DNF
   system upgrade.
   
   Manual Reinstallation
   
   Instead of relying on dnf system upgrade, you can reinstall the
   latest version of Fedora. This involves booting the installer as if
   you were performing a clean installation, letting it detect your
   existing Fedora system, and overwriting the root partition while
   preserving data on other partitions and volumes. The same process
   can also be used to reinstall the system, if you need to do so for
   any reason. For detailed information, see Manual System Upgrade or
   Reinstallation.
   
poc
   
   
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Mike Wright

On 10/2/23 13:43, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/02/2023 03:17 AM, Mauricio Tavares wrote:

  Di you checksum the iso? Also, try using a rocky/ubuntu .iso to
see if the problem is in your USB drive or image.


I downloaded a new copy and tried to verify it but was unable to because 
some of the options needed by the commands weren't available in F25 and 
the instructions were in several places, making them very hard to 
follow.  I think I'm going to try downloading Xubuntu and seeing if that 
works.  If so, I can use that to download, verify and burn a proper 
Fedora .iso and overwrite Ubuntu with it.  Thanx for the suggestion!




I don't know what the download page looks like but there is often an 
associated file named something like md5sum and a long string of hex 
characters.


If you execute md5sum file.iso you should get a match to that string.
Of course you'd use whatever sum checker that matches.  There are many,
such as sha224sum, sha256sum, sha384sum, sha512sum, md5sum, etc.
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/02/2023 03:17 AM, Mauricio Tavares wrote:

  Di you checksum the iso? Also, try using a rocky/ubuntu .iso to
see if the problem is in your USB drive or image.


I downloaded a new copy and tried to verify it but was unable to because 
some of the options needed by the commands weren't available in F25 and 
the instructions were in several places, making them very hard to 
follow.  I think I'm going to try downloading Xubuntu and seeing if that 
works.  If so, I can use that to download, verify and burn a proper 
Fedora .iso and overwrite Ubuntu with it.  Thanx for the suggestion!

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/02/2023 04:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I think most people would see that as an install. You aren't keeping
anything from the old system other than /home. I've done this more than
once without losing /home (as it's on a separate partition) and always
regarded it as a fresh install.


You consider it an install, I think of it as an upgrade.
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/02/2023 02:47 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:



Do you have another USB drive you can try?


I think I'm going to download a new copy first, as I think I remember 
having trouble verifying it.  Using a different drive will be next.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2023-10-01 at 18:14 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 10/01/2023 05:31 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > That would be considered an install, not an upgrade in the usual 
> > understanding of those concepts.  I had the same question when
> > reading that.
> 
> I'm looking at it as an upgrade, because /home will be preserved, but
> YMMV and clearly does in this case.

I think most people would see that as an install. You aren't keeping
anything from the old system other than /home. I've done this more than
once without losing /home (as it's on a separate partition) and always
regarded it as a fresh install.

poc
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:10 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:
>
> On 10/01/2023 05:30 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> 
> >
> > Which iso image is this?  Since you've renamed it, there's no indication
> > of what it is.
>
> I didn't rename it, that's the generic name used in the example I was
> given.  The .iso I'm using is Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-38-1.6.iso
>
  Di you checksum the iso? Also, try using a rocky/ubuntu .iso to
see if the problem is in your USB drive or image.
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 10/1/23 17:10, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/01/2023 05:30 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




Which iso image is this?  Since you've renamed it, there's no 
indication of what it is.


I didn't rename it, that's the generic name used in the example I was 
given.  The .iso I'm using is Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-38-1.6.iso


I tested that specific iso and it also worked with no problems in a 
laptop and desktop with BIOS boot and the mac mini with EFI boot.


Do you have another USB drive you can try?
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 05:31 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




That would be considered an install, not an upgrade in the usual 
understanding of those concepts.  I had the same question when reading that.


I'm looking at it as an upgrade, because /home will be preserved, but 
YMMV and clearly does in this case.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 05:30 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




I don't know why it's not working for you, unless there's something 
funny with your BIOS.  Have you tried both UEFI and legacy modes?
I created a boot drive using dd with the Workstation image and it worked 
fine on everything I've tried, including an old mac mini which is now 
running Fedora.


As I posted earlier, I tried it on both my laptop and my desktop and got 
the same results.  It's hard to get into the laptop's BIOS if the 
drive's inserted, and if it isn't, any attempt to leave just opens it up 
again.  I've sent a request to the OEM for email help on getting past 
this, but I don't expect a response until tomorrow at least.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 05:30 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




Which iso image is this?  Since you've renamed it, there's no indication 
of what it is.


I didn't rename it, that's the generic name used in the example I was 
given.  The .iso I'm using is Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-38-1.6.iso

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 10/1/23 16:04, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/01/2023 04:52 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:


I'm not sure I understand: You don't try an install with the LiveUSB
but instead try to upgrade from F25 to F38 ... ?


My laptop's hard drive died, and I need to install Fedora on it.  Then, 
I'll use the flash drive to install F38 on my desktop, upgrading it all 
the way in one step.  What's hard to understand?


That would be considered an install, not an upgrade in the usual 
understanding of those concepts.  I had the same question when reading that.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 10/1/23 15:46, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/01/2023 04:38 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I don't know what the context is here, but are you sure you're booting 
from the USB?  If there's grub installed on the internal hard drive, 
but missing partitions or something, then you'll get that.




The laptop has a new drive, unformatted and I'm trying to get Fedora 
installed on it.  My desktop has a working system on it, but if I try to 
boot from the flashdrive, it fails in the same way that it does on my 
laptop.



dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M


Which iso image is this?  Since you've renamed it, there's no indication 
of what it is.


That's good.  You can mount the USB drive to verify that the files are 
there.


I did and it does.


I don't know why it's not working for you, unless there's something 
funny with your BIOS.  Have you tried both UEFI and legacy modes?
I created a boot drive using dd with the Workstation image and it worked 
fine on everything I've tried, including an old mac mini which is now 
running Fedora.



And the correction was using M instead of m.


Shouldn't matter either way, other than probably being more efficient 
with M.


If so, why did dd fail until I used M instead of m?


Sorry, I forgot the result of the earlier thread.  "m" is invalid.  The 
two options are "M" and "MB".

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 04:52 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:


I'm not sure I understand: You don't try an install with the LiveUSB
but instead try to upgrade from F25 to F38 ... ?


My laptop's hard drive died, and I need to install Fedora on it.  Then, 
I'll use the flash drive to install F38 on my desktop, upgrading it all 
the way in one step.  What's hard to understand?

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer

On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 04:32:03PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/01/2023 04:21 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

8M should be fine, according to
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method


I'm using F25, and hope to use the drive to upgrade my desktop after
I've gotten the laptop working, and that page calls for packages that
don't exist for my box.


I'm not sure I understand: You don't try an install with the LiveUSB
but instead try to upgrade from F25 to F38 ... ?
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 04:38 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I don't know what the context is here, but are you sure you're booting 
from the USB?  If there's grub installed on the internal hard drive, but 
missing partitions or something, then you'll get that.




The laptop has a new drive, unformatted and I'm trying to get Fedora 
installed on it.  My desktop has a working system on it, but if I try to 
boot from the flashdrive, it fails in the same way that it does on my 
laptop.



dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M


That's good.  You can mount the USB drive to verify that the files are 
there.




I did and it does.


And the correction was using M instead of m.


Shouldn't matter either way, other than probably being more efficient 
with M.


If so, why did dd fail until I used M instead of m?
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer

On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 04:23:54PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/01/2023 04:21 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:


8M should be fine, according to
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method


Is there any reason to think that using 1M caused the issue I'm
seeing? [ .. ]


No, I don't think so. But 8M probably finishes the dd faster than 1M.
Convenience - nothing more .. :)

Again: I'd use UEFI to boot the thumb, and try another one if it fails
...
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 10/1/23 12:39, Joe Zeff wrote:
Recently, I had trouble creating a LiveUSB and asked for help here.  I 
was given instructions on how to create it using dd, and followed them 
after correcting a slight error in the instructions.  Now, I've finally 
got my laptop back, and tried to use the flash drive.  All that happens 
is a grub> prompt.  I don't know what went wrong, or how to correct it. 
This is the command that I used:


I don't know what the context is here, but are you sure you're booting 
from the USB?  If there's grub installed on the internal hard drive, but 
missing partitions or something, then you'll get that.



dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M


That's good.  You can mount the USB drive to verify that the files are 
there.



And the correction was using M instead of m.


Shouldn't matter either way, other than probably being more efficient 
with M.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 04:21 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

8M should be fine, according to
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method


I'm using F25, and hope to use the drive to upgrade my desktop after 
I've gotten the laptop working, and that page calls for packages that 
don't exist for my box.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 04:21 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:


8M should be fine, according to
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method


Is there any reason to think that using 1M caused the issue I'm seeing? 
If not, why does it matter?

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer

Did you enter the BIOS/UEFI boot menu and start the LiveUSB from there?

On Sun, Oct 01, 2023 at 01:39:47PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

Recently, I had trouble creating a LiveUSB and asked for help here.  I
was given instructions on how to create it using dd, and followed them
after correcting a slight error in the instructions.  Now, I've
finally got my laptop back, and tried to use the flash drive.  All
that happens is a grub> prompt.  I don't know what went wrong, or how
to correct it. This is the command that I used:

dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M


8M should be fine, according to
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method
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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff

On 10/01/2023 04:03 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

To use dd, you have to unmount the drive, did you do that?

We need more information on the laptop to help.


I'm almost certain that I unmounted the drive.  I think I remember 
having it fail if the drive were mounted.  And, before I posted on the 
list, I rebooted my desktop (blowing away 42 days of uptime) and tried 
to boot from the drive and got exactly the same result, so it's not my 
laptop, it's either the flashdrive or the .iso.  BTW, Gparted reports it 
as being bootable if that matters.

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Re: LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun Oct01'23 01:39:47PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> From: Joe Zeff 
> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 13:39:47 -0600
> To: Fedora 
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Subject: LiveUSB doesn't boot
>
> Recently, I had trouble creating a LiveUSB and asked for help here.  I was
> given instructions on how to create it using dd, and followed them after
> correcting a slight error in the instructions.  Now, I've finally got my
> laptop back, and tried to use the flash drive.  All that happens is a grub>
> prompt.  I don't know what went wrong, or how to correct it. This is the
> command that I used:
>
> dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
>
> And the correction was using M instead of m.

It is not clear to me if things work.

To use dd, you have to unmount the drive, did you do that?

We need more information on the laptop to help.

Ranjan

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LiveUSB doesn't boot

2023-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff
Recently, I had trouble creating a LiveUSB and asked for help here.  I 
was given instructions on how to create it using dd, and followed them 
after correcting a slight error in the instructions.  Now, I've finally 
got my laptop back, and tried to use the flash drive.  All that happens 
is a grub> prompt.  I don't know what went wrong, or how to correct it. 
This is the command that I used:


dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M

And the correction was using M instead of m.
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