Re: [OMPI users] MPI group and stuck in communication

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear Jeff, you are right. The question is: Is it possible to have a barrier for all CPUs despite they belong to different group? If the answer is yes I will go in more details. Thank a lot Diego On 10 August 2018 at 19:49, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users < users@lists.open-mpi.org> wrote:

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users
I think that your reasons are very valid, and probably why the Forum a) invented MPI_MINLOC/MAXLOC in the first place, and b) why no one has put forth a proposal to get rid of them. :-) > On Aug 10, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Gus Correa wrote: > > Hi Jeff S. > > OK, then I misunderstood Jeff H. >

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Gus Correa
Hi Jeff S. OK, then I misunderstood Jeff H. Sorry about that, Jeff H.. Nevertheless, Diego Avesani has certainly a point. And it is the point of view of an user, something that hopefully matters. I'd add to Diego's arguments that maxloc, minloc, and friends are part of Fortran, Matlab, etc. A

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users
Jeff H. was referring to Nathan's offhand remark about his desire to kill the MPI_MINLOC / MPI_MAXLOC operations. I think Jeff H's point is that this is just Nathan's opinion -- as far as I know, there is no proposal in front of the MPI Forum to actively deprecate MPI_MINLOC or MPI_MAXLOC.

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Gus Correa
On 08/10/2018 01:27 PM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users wrote: It is unlikely that MPI_MINLOC and MPI_MAXLOC will go away any time soon. As far as I know, Nathan hasn't advanced a proposal to kill them in MPI-4, meaning that they'll likely continue to be in MPI for at least another 10

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Gus Correa
Hmmm ... no, no, no! Keep it secret why!?!? Diego Avesani's questions and questioning may have saved us users from getting a useful feature deprecated in the name of code elegance. Code elegance may be very cherished by developers, but it is not necessarily helpful to users, specially if it

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Jeff Hammond
This thread is a perfect illustration of why MPI Forum participants should not flippantly discuss feature deprecation in discussion with users. Users who are not familiar with the MPI Forum process are not able to evaluate whether such proposals are serious or have any hope of succeeding and

Re: [OMPI users] MPI group and stuck in communication

2018-08-10 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users
I'm not quite clear what the problem is that you're running in to -- you just said that there is "some problem with MPI_barrier". What problem, exactly, is happening with your code? Be as precise and specific as possible. It's kinda hard to tell what is happening in the code snippet below

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via users
It is unlikely that MPI_MINLOC and MPI_MAXLOC will go away any time soon. As far as I know, Nathan hasn't advanced a proposal to kill them in MPI-4, meaning that they'll likely continue to be in MPI for at least another 10 years. :-) (And even if they did get killed in MPI-4, implementations

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
I agree about the names, it is very similar to MIN_LOC and MAX_LOC in fortran 90. However, I find difficult to define some algorithm able to do the same things. Diego On 10 August 2018 at 19:03, Nathan Hjelm via users wrote: > They do not fit with the rest of the predefined operations

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Nathan Hjelm via users
They do not fit with the rest of the predefined operations (which operate on a single basic type) and can easily be implemented as user defined operations and get the same performance. Add to that the fixed number of tuple types and the fact that some of them are non-contiguous (MPI_SHORT_INT)

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Ray Sheppard
Hi Diego,   if they are float/reals, the error (overflow) bits will likely make them unique.  If you are looking at integers, I would use isends and just capture the first one.  You could make a little round robin and poll everyone, saving the ranks that match, but if you are using

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear all, I did it, but I am still afraid about Nathan concern. What do you think? thanks again Diego On 10 August 2018 at 17:41, Reuti wrote: > > > Am 10.08.2018 um 17:24 schrieb Diego Avesani : > > > > Dear all, > > I have probably understood. > > The trick is to use a real vector and to

[OMPI users] MPI group and stuck in communication

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear all, I have a MPI program with three groups with some CPUs in common. I have some problem with MPI_barrier. I try to make my self clear. I have three communicator: INTEGER :: MPI_GROUP_WORLD INTEGER :: MPI_LOCAL_COMM INTEGER :: MPI_MASTER_COMM when I apply: IF(MPIworld%rank.EQ.0)

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear all, I have just implemented MAXLOC, why should they go away? it seems working pretty well. thanks Diego On 10 August 2018 at 17:39, Nathan Hjelm via users wrote: > The problem is minloc and maxloc need to go away. better to use a custom > op. > > On Aug 10, 2018, at 9:36 AM, George

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Reuti
> Am 10.08.2018 um 17:24 schrieb Diego Avesani : > > Dear all, > I have probably understood. > The trick is to use a real vector and to memorize also the rank. Yes, I thought of this: https://www.mpi-forum.org/docs/mpi-1.1/mpi-11-html/node79.html -- Reuti > Have I understood correctly? >

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Nathan Hjelm via users
The problem is minloc and maxloc need to go away. better to use a custom op. > On Aug 10, 2018, at 9:36 AM, George Bosilca wrote: > > You will need to create a special variable that holds 2 entries, one for the > max operation (with whatever type you need) and an int for the rank of the >

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread George Bosilca
You will need to create a special variable that holds 2 entries, one for the max operation (with whatever type you need) and an int for the rank of the process. The MAXLOC is described on the OMPI man page [1] and you can find an example on how to use it on the MPI Forum [2]. George. [1]

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread George Reeke
On Fri, 2018-08-10 at 11:03 -0400, Ray Sheppard wrote: > As a dumb scientist, I would just bcast the value I get back to the > group and ask whoever owns it to kindly reply back with its rank. > Ray > Depends how many times one needs to run this--your solution involves quite a bit of extra

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear all, I have probably understood. The trick is to use a real vector and to memorize also the rank. Have I understood correctly? thanks Diego On 10 August 2018 at 17:19, Diego Avesani wrote: > Deal all, > I do not understand how MPI_MINLOC works. it seem locate the maximum in a > vector

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Deal all, I do not understand how MPI_MINLOC works. it seem locate the maximum in a vector and not the CPU to which the valur belongs to. @ray: and if two has the same value? thanks Diego On 10 August 2018 at 17:03, Ray Sheppard wrote: > As a dumb scientist, I would just bcast the value I

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Ray Sheppard
As a dumb scientist, I would just bcast the value I get back to the group and ask whoever owns it to kindly reply back with its rank. Ray On 8/10/2018 10:49 AM, Reuti wrote: Hi, Am 10.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Diego Avesani : Dear all, I have a problem: In my parallel program each CPU

Re: [OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Reuti
Hi, > Am 10.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Diego Avesani : > > Dear all, > > I have a problem: > In my parallel program each CPU compute a value, let's say eff. > > First of all, I would like to know the maximum value. This for me is quite > simple, > I apply the following: > > CALL

[OMPI users] know which CPU has the maximum value

2018-08-10 Thread Diego Avesani
Dear all, I have a problem: In my parallel program each CPU compute a value, let's say eff. First of all, I would like to know the maximum value. This for me is quite simple, I apply the following: CALL MPI_ALLREDUCE(eff, effmaxWorld, 1, MPI_DOUBLE_PRECISION, MPI_MAX, MPI_MASTER_COMM,