Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Mark Eggers
Walter / Gj, One of the problems with running multiple versions of Java on Windows is the inclusion of the following on the path (as I wrote up earlier): C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Oracle\Java\javapath This MUST be removed from the PATH environment variable otherwise you will see

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Great advice, thanks. Gj On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 22:21, William Reynolds < wnreyno...@stellarscience.com> wrote: > TL;DR - edit your system path, and remove the jdk1.8 from it. Make sure > your jdk11 is first. > > The problem is that the javafx maven plugin is trying to execute the java > that

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Scott Palmer
Fair enough, but the Java 7u6 release notes are quite stale. The Java 11 notes at https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/11-relnote-issues-5012449.html#Removed lists JavaFX among the many things that were removed. Java 11 was a very significant milestone with major changes. It was

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Possibly, but unless we can reproduce this or get a better understanding of the environment in question, we won't know. Gj On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:51 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 20:31 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote: > >> Yup, it seems to me that the Java environment isn't

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 20:31 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote: > Yup, it seems to me that the Java environment isn't set up right -- some > JDK 8 of some kind appears to be set up system wide. > Yes, but shouldn't cause an issue should it? The Maven support should set up the environment for the build

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yup, it seems to me that the Java environment isn't set up right -- some JDK 8 of some kind appears to be set up system wide. Running 'java -version' would probably confirm that. Gj On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:29 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 19:28 Walter Oney, wrote: > >>

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 19:28 Walter Oney, wrote: > Sure it does. You just didn't see the stackoverflow thread where I got > help installing JNA, which I need as part of my app. I wandered down the > rathole of newer JDK versions trying to solve the problem. I'm back to > being a happy bunny now

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:10 PM To: Walter Oney Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence The OpenJFX samples work out of the box. However, it appears your Java environment is misconfigured in some way

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
Wielenga Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:21 PM To: Walter Oney Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:14 PM Walter Oney mailto:walter.o...@oneylaw.com> > wrote: Look, I'

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
gain, thanks for your efforts. > > -Original Message- > From: Geertjan Wielenga > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:10 PM > To: Walter Oney > Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List < > users@netbeans.apache.org> > Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
From: Scott Palmer Oracle does not state that JavaFX is included in Java 11. >From https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/overview/index.html: "As >of JDK 7u6 JavaFX is included with the standard JDK and JRE bundles. Please >download the JDK or JRE to use JavaFX." The link is to a

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 19:08 Walter Oney, wrote: > > I don't want to be on the leading edge here -- I just want to get back to > developing my app. I got sidetracked by not knowing I needed JNA.JAR in > addition to JNA-PLATFORM.JAR. > What has JNA got to do with this conversation exactly?! It

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The OpenJFX samples work out of the box. However, it appears your Java environment is misconfigured in some way -- though we're not going to know unless you provide the error messages you're seeing with the OpenJFX samples. Is it during the build, or during deployment? What are the error

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
From: Geertjan Wielenga > You're going to have to do better than this in terms of error reporting. I don't want to be on the leading edge here -- I just want to get back to developing my app. I got sidetracked by not knowing I needed JNA.JAR in addition to JNA-PLATFORM.JAR. But thanks all

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
-- > From: Geertjan Wielenga <mailto:geert...@apache.org> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:41 PM > To: Walter Oney walter.o...@oneylaw.com> > > Cc: Neil C Smith neil

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
ney mailto:walter.o...@oneylaw.com> > Cc: Neil C Smith mailto:neilcsm...@apache.org> >; NetBeans Mailing List mailto:users@netbeans.apache.org> > Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence What is the name of the sample that you picked? Gj On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:40 PM Walter Oney mailto:walter.o...@oneylaw.com> > wrote: A follow-on: I *did* p

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:41 PM >>> To: Walter Oney >>> Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List < >>> users@netbeans.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform >>> independence >>> >>> W

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t JavaFX, so the wizard >> doesn't even build an app. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Geertjan Wielenga >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:41 PM >> To: Walter Oney >> Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List < >> users@netbeans.apa

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
o: Walter Oney > Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List < > users@netbeans.apache.org> > Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform > independence > > What is the name of the sample that you picked? > > Gj > > On Sat, Sep 28,

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
To: Walter Oney Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence Now don't do anything other than this -- open the New Project dialog, go to the Samples category, in the JavaFX category pick one of the two samples you see

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
HelloFXWithMaven -Original Message- From: Geertjan Wielenga Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:41 PM To: Walter Oney Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence What is the name of the sample that you

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
rday, September 28, 2019 1:39 PM > To: 'Geertjan Wielenga' > Cc: 'Neil C Smith' ; 'NetBeans Mailing List' < > users@netbeans.apache.org> > Subject: RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform > independence > > Well, Maven downloaded a whole bunch of

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 18:25 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote: > Now don't do anything other than this -- open the New Project dialog, go > to the Samples category, in the JavaFX category pick one of the two samples > you see there. Complete the wizard. Run the sample. > Note in 11.1 that's the OpenJFX

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence Now don't do anything other than this -- open the New Project dialog, go to the Samples category, in the JavaFX category pick one of the two samples you see there. Complete the wizard. Run the sample. Gj

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Scott Palmer
lenga mailto:geert...@apache.org>> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:17 PM > To: Walter Oney mailto:walter.o...@oneylaw.com>> > Cc: Neil C Smith mailto:neilcsm...@apache.org>>; > NetBeans Mailing List <mailto:users@netbeans.apache.org>> > Subject: Re: A Ba

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
on anything is like herding cats. -Original Message- From: Chris Olsen Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:56 PM To: Jack Woehr Cc: NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence Jack and All -- I fear that my jpackage

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
-Original Message- > From: Geertjan Wielenga > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:17 PM > To: Walter Oney > Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List < > users@netbeans.apache.org> > Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform > independence >

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
Here you go. -Original Message- From: Geertjan Wielenga Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:17 PM To: Walter Oney Cc: Neil C Smith ; NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence Cab you go to Help | About in Apache NetBeans

RE: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
To: Walter Oney Cc: NetBeans Mailing List Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 12:04, Walter Oney wrote: > My current self-assigned task is to port the app to Linux in the hope that > I’ll find more robust WiFi support t

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
28, 2019 11:37 AM > To: Walter Oney > Cc: NetBeans Mailing List > Subject: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform > independence > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 12:04, Walter Oney wrote: > > My current self-assigned task is to port the app to Linux in the hope &g

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Chris Olsen
: Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence I apologize if my comment was unclear. I was trying to be light. I think Mosca and Oney pretty much got what I was saying. I've been in this game for about 40 years. Stuff comes and goes. Programming is always a pain

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Jack Woehr
I apologize if my comment was unclear. I was trying to be light. I think Mosca and Oney pretty much got what I was saying. I've been in this game for about 40 years. Stuff comes and goes. Programming is always a pain in the butt. If it wasn't, everyone would do it and it would be a minimum wage

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 12:04, Walter Oney wrote: > My current self-assigned task is to port the app to Linux in the hope that > I’ll find more robust WiFi support than Win10 has. I was hopping along as a > happy little bunny with NetBeans 8.4 and some version or another of the JDK > that

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 15:41, Jack Woehr wrote: > > Programmers gotta program. If that includes figuring out the rat's nest > that Other Programmers has created, well, that's why they pay us. > There are no Other Programmers in Apache projects. Just you and me and everyone as equals working

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Carl Mosca
+1 Jack On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jack Woehr wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 6:57 AM Emilian Bold > wrote: > >> If it's of any help it is almost impossible to get all the Python >> dependencies for Machine Learning. This is in spite of virtualenv, anaconda >> and whatever other

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Jack Woehr
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 6:57 AM Emilian Bold wrote: > If it's of any help it is almost impossible to get all the Python > dependencies for Machine Learning. This is in spite of virtualenv, anaconda > and whatever other solutions exist specifically to fix this. Don't get me > started on doing

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Emilian Bold
If it's of any help it is almost impossible to get all the Python dependencies for Machine Learning. This is in spite of virtualenv, anaconda and whatever other solutions exist specifically to fix this. Don't get me started on doing this on macOS vs Linux. So it looks like platform independence

Re: A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 12:58, Walter Oney wrote: > As a very experienced developer who is new to the world of Java, JavaFX, > and NetBeans I have to share a lament about the current state of the tools. > > > > It should be possible for an untutored user to obtain a working > development

A Bad Thing has happened to the promise of platform independence

2019-09-28 Thread Walter Oney
As a very experienced developer who is new to the world of Java, JavaFX, and NetBeans I have to share a lament about the current state of the tools. It should be possible for an untutored user to obtain a working development environment with trivial ease. It is not. Instead, one appears to have