On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Brian Barker wrote:

At 15:40 19/07/2016 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote:
the document was begun with a certain 'default' of my devising, 11pt font-size, first line indentation, etc.

How did you do this?

sorry, I didn't see this email until a day after it was posted and meantime have had hands full with some other work. I'm not sure if I have answered your questions in our off-list correspondence but despite your worthy efforts, I am still very unclear about 'direct formatting' vs 'templating'.

to preserve context I quote your response and make some comments thereafter:

You may have modified a paragraph style (or created a new one), in which case you can now simply modify that style as you wish. But you may have set the paragraph properties of your first paragraph and then relied on each new paragraph inheriting the properties from its predecessor. Note that in this second case, your "default" has been applied as a paragraph property, whereas the first uses a paragraph *style* property; these are two different things. If you used the second method, I think you have a longwinded task ahead of you, with no "automagic" shortcuts.
suppose I invoke 'F11' etc and change the font to 'negreta'; Lo! all the text is dark! change font-size? nada.

That will be because you chose the first technique above, and your local character or paragraph formatting is overriding your change of paragraph style.

maybe I have inadvertently but passing strange it works with one kind of font formatting but not the other.

I think that will be because the "default of [your] devising" happened to modify - and thereby fossilise - the font size but not the font itself. The font is still game to be changed by a change in paragraph style.

Note that font size is a character property, a character style property, and a paragraph style property (but not a paragraph property, although an entire paragraph can be given a font size using the character property, of course). So you can set font size in various ways, and understanding what is happening can be confusing.

I know it is easy for me to say this now, but you can see why learning about and using styles is very useful in OpenOffice. You will reap rewards.

I am perplexed and it has to do with discerning when I'm committing the sin of 'direct formatting' vs invoking the blessings of 'styles'

several yrs ago I made a default template with my favorite formatting - 1st line indented, font type, font size mainly. I also bound some special formatting to some keys so for paragraphs indented on all lines fore and aft I have a special key, another key to re-set to my default style.

now to perplexities and questions:

Q1: when I set the default template. doesn't that count (also) as "using styles"?

now suppose I pull up F11 and decide, "oh, I want 12pt instead," so I modify it in F11 accordingly.

Q2: doesn't this count as "using styles"?

now I notice this makes the change pervasive in some docs and but not in others.

Q3: where it doesn't work, what should I infer:

a) I have NOT used my default template (contrary to what I thought)?

b) I HAVE used my default template but font size doesn't change because it's 'fossilized'? (but why?)

c) I have used 'direct formatting'? (how? I used my default template).

I guess (c) is just a catch-all for the others. (a) is quite possible through inadvertence.

thankful for any light by you or anyone!

f.

--
Felmon Davis

I just know I'm a better manager when I have Joe DiMaggio in center field.
                -- Casey Stengel


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