Allow me to add my 'two-pence worth’ to this important discussion. Seems to me that it has been well-explained earlier that a ‘reveal codes’-like solution (apparently as in WordPerfect) is not readily achievable within OO, as the formatting controls of OO don’t lend themselves to such a solution (either technically, or in a way that would enable users to achieve what they want).
IMHO, it’s clear from this correspondence that getting formats right can be a difficult task for many users, both casual and not (I regard myself as mid-point, but it can be difficult and frustrating - I don’t knowingly use styles). I particularly find nested lists (very difficult to achieve consistently to what I want (although I’m a big fan of OO generally). I recommend the approach to the OO development team to start with a requirement to improve the formatting handling (particularly lists) - maybe that simple requirement can be generally shared by most contributors - without mandating any particular solution. That should give the developers the licence to examine any type of solution that will improve this apparently contentious and difficult area. Best to all, Steve On 19 May 2014, at 11:11, japples <japp...@europa.com> wrote: > So far, this conversation boils down to: use only styles which requires > casual users to travel the steep learning curve to enable their use and > possibility of creating conflicts with other style rules or show > consideration to the casual user and provide a reveal code feature which is > cleaner / more direct and does not have potential of creating conflicts. > > Compared to using wysiwyg web page creator without ability to view code. > Styles does nothing to correct skewed page; however, viewing the codes is a > very helpful tool. > > Jack > > > mt wrote: >> Sorry if there is some confusion here, as I for one never meant to criticise >> styles - which I use extensively, and generally find useful. >> >> There are however situations where styles might not help. For example, when >> troubleshooting document formatting problems such as page or section >> options, or when special (manual) character formatting has been applied to >> styled paragraphs: this is where "reveal codes" can come in handy. Also, >> typically, "Reveal codes" was used by someone other than the original >> author... funny this has never been mentioned, given that it was the main >> reason why we had to use "Reveal codes" back when WordPerfect was the >> standard! >> >> Anyhow, a (very basic) example of how this could be obtained is in the >> "Write/Edit Post" interface in WordPress, with its two tabs (Visual | Text). >> I have no idea whether this is possible in OO - but it is my understanding >> that something like that is what people asking for "Reveal codes" might find >> useful. >> >> As WordPress demonstrates and Richard Detwiler already suggested, these two >> ways of looking at a written page are not necessarily mutually exclusive. So >> if they are in OO, maybe this is what needs to be explained to us users, who >> do not understand, nor want to know, about the "inner workings" of the >> program. >> >> Lastly, and by the by: I believe the only way a programmer can "take the >> user's perspective" is to listen to end users themselves. Ideally... without >> expecting them to be computer literate or (worse) accusing them to not put >> in the necessary time/effort to learn how to use the program. >> >> Thank you for suggesting ways how we might be able to help, as end (& dumb? >> :-) users. >> >> marina >> --- >> MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 >> @martadiello >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3722/7012 - Release Date: 05/17/14 >> >> >> Best Regards, Steve Caine ------------------------------------------- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
