Re: Reminder on list policy
Please calm down! The only result of fueling the fire of such discussions will be that users, who are solely interested in finding support here, will leave. Peter On 01/08/2014 10:44 PM, TN Patriot wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me, I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them, whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Reminder on list policy
Ya' know, all of this bantering has become LONG past being something to attempt to read. Please go to your respective corners and stop this nonsense. Or the list risks the possibility of losing lurkers - such as myself - to mindless bantering that has long since lost its appeal of anything relevant. Jim Parkhurst Jim.Parkhurst(at)TXDOT[dot]GOV Work Hours = 07:00-16:00 [Central] -Original Message- From: Think [mailto:thinkta...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:29 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Reminder on list policy irgu...@gmail.com https://www.mail-archive.com/slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org/msg08961.html http://slackware.org.uk/slackbuilds.org/14.0/academic/convertall/convertall.SlackBuild John Berger, you already put your name on the internet. So you have already exercised that prerogative. Why not be a human and put it on here? It would be one thing if you weren't attacking anyone. But here in the US, we have this thing about facing the people who are persecuting us. It's only bullies that hide. If you have nothing at stake, for instance your good name, you have no reason to behave yourself. And yes, I am all for people protecting their privacy ESPECIALLY if they are in a forum where people are hostile and bulling is de rigeur and acceptable. Brenda Hart Neihouse PS: about the do as I say comment: you have no idea if I do or do not do as I say. So that's an entirely false argument. If you want to know, you would have to talk to my daughter or any of the people I work with or work for. You might also talk to the people for whom I have advocacated. Right, you don't have access to any of those people. So you made an assumption from what data? Another personal attack. -Original Message- From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:44 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Reminder on list policy On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me, I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them, whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so. -- http://www.lawcollective.org/ Learn your rights through cartoons! http://www.roadblock.org/rights/ Know your rights about and at roadblocks! http://fija.org/ Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the over-reaching: police, justice system and government! Why does the government want to ban semi-auto weapons? Because you won’t get in the box car willingly. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org Texas Transportation Forum: Jan. 6-8, 2014 [Ninth Annual Texas Transportation Forum]http://www.dot.state.tx.us/ttf/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reminder on list policy
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning don't feed the trolls. I do have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most. If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it. BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their identity/gender. ...snip.. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reminder on list policy
On 1/8/2014 1:47 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning don't feed the trolls. I do have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most. If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it. BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their identity/gender. Best response is typically a good plonking. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reminder on list policy
+1 to BHN regarding her desire for a civil list that provides supportive direction to people seeking help and one on which asking a question doesn't open the poster to incivil responses. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Brian Waldner bhwald...@gmail.com wrote: Delete! On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning don't feed the trolls. I do have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most. If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it. BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their identity/gender. ...snip.. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alan Boba CISSP, CCENT, ITIL v3 Foundations 2011
Re: Reminder on list policy
In the 1980s and more in the 90s, Unix and Linux developers began the 'Developer Attitude' - We know it all and you are just too stupid to find it out yet. Go read the (curse word) manual, you misbegotten worm! Sadly, this attitude became the Cool thing to do, continuing in many Help forums, Email, and on IRC. We are only now, in the 21st Century, coming to realize that this attitude, albeit in long-time practice by many, isn't such a good idea. Users want reasonable attitudes from helpers. There are more alternatives now than ever before. A person doesn't have to take endless abuse to get (or give) help. In fact, if helpers and forum managers will take the time to be pleasant and listen, and reply decently to normal user's questions, they will be rewarded with increased activity and usually more people using and enjoying the product. I mentioned IRC because the Irc.Freenode.Org #OpenOffice channel is often empty of helpers and if anyone feels like answering a few question he or she might be able to please a lot of people. Thank you everyone for providing assistance to all users of Apache OpenOffice. Linda On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Alan B abo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to BHN regarding her desire for a civil list that provides supportive direction to people seeking help and one on which asking a question doesn't open the poster to incivil responses. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Brian Waldner bhwald...@gmail.com wrote: Delete! On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that... You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around people like you for a long time. He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning don't feed the trolls. I do have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most. If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it. BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their identity/gender. ...snip.. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alan Boba CISSP, CCENT, ITIL v3 Foundations 2011
Re: Reminder on list policy
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: Rob Weir wrote: Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list. You can ask INFRA to add a link to the list conduct guidelines http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html to the footer of every list post. +1 I think this would be an excellent idea! Also, I've seen messages in this thread (not by Rob; I'm simply answering here) calling people stupid, imbecile and so on. Please do refrain from using that language. We do have moderators, but of course they can only act after the fact. If everybody sticks to the guidelines and does not use offensive language, life will be easier. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time, for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect. -- James Mason
RE: Reminder on list policy
Stating applicable law is not a threat, neither is the promise to engage in a certain (legal) action should a certain action be taken by someone else. What I did is called free speech. And it is protected speech. Especially since I quoted law and policy. It is the policy of all US ISP's to ban users who flame/harass/etc. other people via the ISP's resources, i.e. using email to flame someone. There is also a federal law regarding harassment/bullying and using electronic resources to do so. I would have to look it up. But I am certain you can Google it. So we have a FAIL from the moderators as far as what constitutes a threat. And we have a FAIL from the moderators for reading my verbiage about ensuring that I use all methods to protect myself on this listserv, and to protect my right to my free speech on this listserv, as a threat. So the moderators have now engaged in an inappropriate warning. My warning someone that the law exists and that I will use it is most decidedly NOT a threat. You have just now chilled other people's free speech and their exercise of applicable law to protect themselves. (I said it twice in case someone missed it the first time.) We also have a FAIL from the moderators as to them appropriately doing their job-- that is to keep people safe on this listserv, to ensure the rules are followed and to ensure that people know what the rules are. Oh, yeah and not acting in such a way as to chill protected speech. (I think that is number three, but in a slightly different context -- overall fail in doing their job.) Brenda Hart Neihouse PS: I would have commented earlier but I was busy doing advocacy work. You know, the part where you speak for a large group of people to make sure their civil rights are protected. Oh yeah, that's what I am doing here. And that is what I was doing in my initial email. Only the group on here isn't in the millions. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:59 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reminder on list policy Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list. Regards, Rob If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.i - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Reminder on list policy
Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list. Regards, Rob If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.i - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
