Re: more field fun.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Brian Barker wrote: At 17:33 22/02/2020 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote: imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. The usefulness of automatic page numbering, of course, is that you can modify the text or layout of the document with the page numbers being preserved and updating appropriately and not being displaced. If you need such a random collection of numbers and the document is at a late stage of preparation - when changes to the text are less likely - it may be simpler just to position manual page numbers where the footer would be, without having any footer. If you need a footer for other information on such pages but want page numbers only on some, you can still do this. Create a Frame to contain the required page number (it doesn't need to have any border) and ensure that it is anchored To Page. Position the frame in the footer where is needs to appear. Because it is anchored to the page, not to anything within the footer, it will not be repeated within the footer on other pages. The second technique is also more robust to changes in paper size, margins, and so on, as well as to font substitution on a foreign system. to report: I believe your solutions are probably in better accord with the "principle of simplicity" than what I chose but I hadn't realized the power of the 'manual page-break' function before and got fascinated. I made three page styles, 'Roman ix', 'Roman xi' and 'Roman xiii' each with a footer but with the corresponding Roman numeral (but not as a 'field'). on reflection it probably would have sufficed to make one such page. I believe the author is satisfied, and I learned some valuable tricks thanks to you, Rory and Andrew; much appreciated! f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Rory O'Farrell wrote: [...] The automatic page numbering will appear static if no pages are inserted before or between them. understand. If the perception is that "static" page numbers are needed because of references from other locations in the document, there are automatic ways of doing this, where the references update when (if) the page numbers change. I haven't explored the reasons the author wants just to have those Roman numerals plugged in like that (no automatic updating). there may be some better way for them to achieve whatever their purpose is but my goal was to produce the document according to their description. I was just trying to do a favor but in the course of it I've learned some valuable wrinkles. I haven't yet implemented any of the solutions for the roman numeral pages; will get to that sometime today. f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:00:36 -0500 (EST) Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Brian Barker wrote: > > > At 17:33 22/02/2020 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote: > >> imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered > >> except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want > >> a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page > >> 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess > >> the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. > > > > The usefulness of automatic page numbering, of course, is that you can > > modify > > the text or layout of the document with the page numbers being preserved > > and > > updating appropriately and not being displaced. If you need such a random > > collection of numbers and the document is at a late stage of preparation - > > when changes to the text are less likely - it may be simpler just to > > position > > manual page numbers where the footer would be, without having any footer. > > > > If you need a footer for other information on such pages but want page > > numbers only on some, you can still do this. Create a Frame to contain the > > required page number (it doesn't need to have any border) and ensure that > > it > > is anchored To Page. Position the frame in the footer where is needs to > > appear. Because it is anchored to the page, not to anything within the > > footer, it will not be repeated within the footer on other pages. > > > > The second technique is also more robust to changes in paper size, margins, > > and so on, as well as to font substitution on a foreign system. > > > > I trust this helps. > > very much so! I will try out some of this when I return to the task > tonight or tomorrow. I think I favor the 'frame' approach, basically > just sort of 'paint' the footer in. these numerals do not need to be > automatically updated; quite the contrary, they must be static. > > (perhaps I should ask them why. maybe there's a better way to achieve > their goals but I don't have time to dig too deep.) > > again, thank you. I'll report back. > > f. > > -- > Felmon Davis The automatic page numbering will appear static if no pages are inserted before or between them. If the perception is that "static" page numbers are needed because of references from other locations in the document, there are automatic ways of doing this, where the references update when (if) the page numbers change. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Brian Barker wrote: At 17:33 22/02/2020 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote: imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. The usefulness of automatic page numbering, of course, is that you can modify the text or layout of the document with the page numbers being preserved and updating appropriately and not being displaced. If you need such a random collection of numbers and the document is at a late stage of preparation - when changes to the text are less likely - it may be simpler just to position manual page numbers where the footer would be, without having any footer. If you need a footer for other information on such pages but want page numbers only on some, you can still do this. Create a Frame to contain the required page number (it doesn't need to have any border) and ensure that it is anchored To Page. Position the frame in the footer where is needs to appear. Because it is anchored to the page, not to anything within the footer, it will not be repeated within the footer on other pages. The second technique is also more robust to changes in paper size, margins, and so on, as well as to font substitution on a foreign system. I trust this helps. very much so! I will try out some of this when I return to the task tonight or tomorrow. I think I favor the 'frame' approach, basically just sort of 'paint' the footer in. these numerals do not need to be automatically updated; quite the contrary, they must be static. (perhaps I should ask them why. maybe there's a better way to achieve their goals but I don't have time to dig too deep.) again, thank you. I'll report back. f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
At 17:33 22/02/2020 -0500, Felmon Davis wrote: imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. The usefulness of automatic page numbering, of course, is that you can modify the text or layout of the document with the page numbers being preserved and updating appropriately and not being displaced. If you need such a random collection of numbers and the document is at a late stage of preparation - when changes to the text are less likely - it may be simpler just to position manual page numbers where the footer would be, without having any footer. If you need a footer for other information on such pages but want page numbers only on some, you can still do this. Create a Frame to contain the required page number (it doesn't need to have any border) and ensure that it is anchored To Page. Position the frame in the footer where is needs to appear. Because it is anchored to the page, not to anything within the footer, it will not be repeated within the footer on other pages. The second technique is also more robust to changes in paper size, margins, and so on, as well as to font substitution on a foreign system. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020, Andrew Pitonyak wrote: I do not have time to look deeply into this, but, I do believe that you can have differnet behavior for left / right pages for a page style. I think they talk about it here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Writer/FormattingPagesAndDocuments/How_do_I_make_page_numbers_alternate%3F I will have a look later but note the pages were random, I should have used a different set of numbers, page 2, page 5 and page 10 say. I do notice, however, tha tyou say "page 3" is numbered as xi (11), so you would need to make sure that the real page number is correct if you rely on that to generate the number. it's the automatic generation of a number I need to avoid. I need to insert the numbers somehow by hand. f. On Saturday, February 22, 2020 17:33 EST, Felmon Davis wrote: great help! through some trickery with 'manual breaks' and 'page styles' I have almost everything in shape. however - imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. need a break; will pursue this strategy later unless there's a better idea. f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: more field fun.
I do not have time to look deeply into this, but, I do believe that you can have differnet behavior for left / right pages for a page style. I think they talk about it here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Writer/FormattingPagesAndDocuments/How_do_I_make_page_numbers_alternate%3F I do notice, however, tha tyou say "page 3" is numbered as xi (11), so you would need to make sure that the real page number is correct if you rely on that to generate the number. On Saturday, February 22, 2020 17:33 EST, Felmon Davis wrote: great help! through some trickery with 'manual breaks' and 'page styles' I have almost everything in shape. however - imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. need a break; will pursue this strategy later unless there's a better idea. f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
more field fun.
great help! through some trickery with 'manual breaks' and 'page styles' I have almost everything in shape. however - imagine you have ten consecutive pages all without footer and unnumbered except for pages 3, 5 and 7; on those pages you want a footer and you want a roman numeral, for instance ix on page 3, xi on page 5 and xiii on page 7. inserting a number generates the same numeral on each page. ah, I guess the trick is to do a different page style for 3, 5 and 7. need a break; will pursue this strategy later unless there's a better idea. f. -- Felmon Davis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
