[ovirt-users] oVirt cannot start VM after reboot with cluster chipset set to i440fx
Hi I’m running a oVirt 4.4.4 installation (with a single node and single cluster). After a recent reboot, I’m trying to start the VMs, which fails with: VM udc1 is down with error. Exit message: XML error: The device at PCI address :00:02.0 cannot be plugged into the PCI controller with index='0'. It requires a controller that accepts a pcie-root-port.. Dmesg shows: Mar 15 17:07:48 ovirt1 journal[2245]: internal error: a PCI slot is needed to connect a PCI controller model='pcie-root-port', but none is available, and it cannot be automatically added The issue seems with the “custom chipset/firmware” set to i440fx rather than Q35 for the cluster. The VM is configured to cluster default. The rationale for running i440 is that Debian doesn’t actually support Q35 with cloud-init, leading to an uninitialized VM. Since I’m running mainly Debian/Ubuntu VMs it’s needed to have i440 set instead. The error is also visible in oVirt Manager, when checking out the “Vm Devices” for the failed VM (all of them). The workaround for starting the VM seems to be to do: Edit -> System -> Advanced Parameters -> Custom Chipset/Firmware Type -> Change to Q35 and back to cluster default (being i440). This resets the list to remove the need for a pcie-root-port. I gives the impressions that there is an initialization error of the ovirt engine, where the Q35 devices are loaded in incorrectly or maybe not fetched as the right cluster default. I’ve not tested what happens if the configured for i440fx is applied at VM level, rather than cluster level. Does anyone know how to resolve this for future versions? Or what can be done to make this work after a reboot? Best regards, Joris ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/TTIFL6RLG7DUZ7TSYROIVVKXSTHOKJOZ/
[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt longevity after CentOS 8, RHV changes
Hi, Does all this mean oVirt will be sometime and somehow merged with OpenShift (or OKD)? Its not that easy since OKD designed primarily for Kubernetes/Docker containers. Or oVirt may be considered just another abandonware within 2+ years? On 4/3/21 4:49 PM, David White via Users wrote: I first received news about the RHEV and OpenShift convergence from my Red Hat TAM at one of my jobs. However, a quick search on Google produces this: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev, which says, in part: Moving forward the RHV management feature set will be converged with OpenShift and OpenShift Virtualization providing customers with requirements for containers and VMs a migration path and a common platform for deploying and managing both. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 3, 2021 4:52 AM, Timo Veith wrote: Dear David, do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“ Cheers Timo Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users users@ovirt.org: I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as not to hijack the original thread. I'm sure that this topic has come up before. I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy to a production environment. I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my experience grow. I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support RHV going forward. What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to CentOS 8? As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or something. From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg tho...@hoberg.net wrote: I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break of trust. I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective. With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on top via oVirt to persist just as long. And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it runs (tenants paying rent). We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after any update to the house of cards. And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before the base OS ran out of support. To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OSXYEI6M4O2DVZUODRUWQZY/ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/UXUMNX46AGN5D3VXROSL6XX3FEGSHQF3/ __
[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt longevity after CentOS 8, RHV changes
I first received news about the RHEV and OpenShift convergence from my Red Hat TAM at one of my jobs. However, a quick search on Google produces this: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev, which says, in part: Moving forward the RHV management feature set will be converged with OpenShift and OpenShift Virtualization providing customers with requirements for containers and VMs a migration path and a common platform for deploying and managing both. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 3, 2021 4:52 AM, Timo Veith wrote: > Dear David, > > do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so > the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“ > > Cheers > Timo > > > Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users users@ovirt.org: > > I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as > > not to hijack the original thread. > > I'm sure that this topic has come up before. > > I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with > > oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the > > mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to > > deploy to a production environment. > > I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my > > experience grow. > > I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to > > allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned > > about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to > > support RHV going forward. > > What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that > > it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to > > prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what > > happened to CentOS 8? > > As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others > > help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I > > really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to > > use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement > > of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have > > time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like > > Proxmox or something. > > From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand > > Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that > > OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a > > lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a > > full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg tho...@hoberg.net wrote: > > > > > I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before > > > CentOS 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free > > > open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather > > > violent break of trust. > > > > > I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just > > > don't. Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's > > > perspective. > > > > > With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value > > > on top via oVirt to persist just as long. > > > > > And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 > > > can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. > > > > > Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it > > > runs (tenants paying rent). > > > > > We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing > > > after any update to the house of cards. > > > > > And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 > > > was abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long > > > before the base OS ran out of support. > > > > > To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. > > > > > 0x320CD582.asc>___ > > Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org > > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > > oVirt Code of Conduct: > > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > > List Archives: > > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OSXYEI6M4O2DVZUODRUWQZY/ > > Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > List Archives: > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt
[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt longevity after CentOS 8, RHV changes
Dear David, do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“ Cheers Timo > Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users : > > I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as > not to hijack the original thread. > > I'm sure that this topic has come up before. > > > I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with > oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the > mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy > to a production environment. > > I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my > experience grow. > > I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to > allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned > about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support > RHV going forward. > > What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it > is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent > Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to > CentOS 8? > > As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help > to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just > go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a > while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's > (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to > switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or > something. > > From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand > Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that > OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot > more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full > kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg wrote: > >> I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS >> 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source >> virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break >> of trust. >> > >> I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. >> Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective. >> > >> With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on >> top via oVirt to persist just as long. >> > >> And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 >> can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. >> > >> Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it >> runs (tenants paying rent). >> > >> We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after >> any update to the house of cards. >> > >> And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was >> abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before >> the base OS ran out of support. >> > >> To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. > > 0x320CD582.asc>___ > Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > List Archives: > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OSXYEI6M4O2DVZUODRUWQZY/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/UXUMNX46AGN5D3VXROSL6XX3FEGSHQF3/
