Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-08 Thread Greg Sheremeta
The patch [1] is merged (thanks Alexander), and thus the next 4.2 build
will have the menu.

Best wishes,
Greg

[1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/83729/

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Oved Ourfali  wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> Note that the right click added will contain the buttons that are at the
> upper panel, as those are expected to be the ones used mostly.
> It will only contain single buttons (not menus), as currently there is no
> representation of sub menus on right click in bootstrap.
> It will not contain the buttons that appear when you press the three dots.
> If one of these buttons is widely used, it should move to the action panel
> (requires code change), and then it will also be automatically added to the
> context menu (no code change needed).
>
> Cheers,
> Oved
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.fredi...@upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.fredi...@upx.com> wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and
 that is not the case.

 Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff
 that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience
 that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
 considered masses in that sense.

 Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile
 Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a
 Mouse ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
>>>
>>> Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
>>> screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
>>> comfortable to have.
>>> I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
>>> it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
>>> just on top and not far away from the email list).
>>> Y.
>>>
>>
>> Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
>>
>> After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team,
>> we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be
>> merged in the next week.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Greg
>>
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-07 Thread Oved Ourfali
Thanks for the feedback!

Note that the right click added will contain the buttons that are at the
upper panel, as those are expected to be the ones used mostly.
It will only contain single buttons (not menus), as currently there is no
representation of sub menus on right click in bootstrap.
It will not contain the buttons that appear when you press the three dots.
If one of these buttons is widely used, it should move to the action panel
(requires code change), and then it will also be automatically added to the
context menu (no code change needed).

Cheers,
Oved

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI  wrote:

> Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.fredi...@upx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and
>>> that is not the case.
>>>
>>> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
>>> may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that
>>> will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
>>> considered masses in that sense.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
>>> to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
>> screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
>> comfortable to have.
>> I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
>> it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
>> just on top and not far away from the email list).
>> Y.
>>
>
> Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
>
> After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team,
> we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be
> merged in the next week.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Greg
>
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-07 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI

Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.

Keep up the good work.

Fernando


On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul > wrote:




On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI
> wrote:

Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as
mentioned and that is not the case.

Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing
stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff'
considering the audience that will use it is even better
practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses
in that sense.

Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or
Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use
Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)


In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)

Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a
touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click
and I do find it comfortable to have.
I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned
about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the
buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list).
Y.


Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!

After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, 
we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should 
be merged in the next week.


Inline image 1


Best wishes,
Greg

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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-07 Thread Greg Sheremeta
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.fredi...@upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and
>> that is not the case.
>>
>> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
>> may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that
>> will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
>> considered masses in that sense.
>>
>> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
>> to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
>> ;-)
>
>
> In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
>
> Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
> screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
> comfortable to have.
> I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
> it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
> just on top and not far away from the email list).
> Y.
>

Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!

After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, we're
going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be merged
in the next week.

[image: Inline image 1]


Best wishes,
Greg

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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-03 Thread Yaniv Kaul
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Arman Khalatyan <arm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
>
> I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
> stable, clean and useful.
> The right or left clicks  or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
> futures are the secondary tasks for me.
> For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
> they can use mOvirt app.
> I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
> advertised futures to make them stable.
> as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
> - please make a ovirt as a  FULL HA solution
> - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
> the first point, not the right click one:).
>

This is a bit more complex than you assume.


> - hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
>

This makes no sense whatsoever. We'd like to integrate with best of breed
projects, not replace them.


> - strong solution with a multirail HA storage
>

I'm not familiar with the term - can you expand on this?


> - move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
>

Boot from SAN for example?


> - scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
>

Again, I assume a separate utility can probably do a better job.


> - reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
>

Metrics are in the works with Elastic and Kibana. DWH is still there.


> Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
> half-solved problems.
>

Patches are welcome, of course.
Y.


>
>
> Greetings from Potsdam,
> Arman.
>
> PS
> an Ovirt user since 3.x
> 8hosts >50Vms
> 4hosts > 6VMS
> 10G,IB,RDMA.
> looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.sle...@slu.cz> wrote:
> > On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> >> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
> >> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> >> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
> >> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
> >>
> >> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high
> demand.
> >
> > I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> > clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> > possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> > This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
> >
> > Cheers, Jiri
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback!
> >> Oved
> >>
> >> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
> >> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
> >> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
> >>     I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
> >> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
> >>
> >>
> >>> 
> 
> >>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
> >>> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
> >>> is now available for testing
> >>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> >>> *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
> >>>>> Because,
> >>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
> >>>>> interact with
> >>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
> >>>>
> >>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> >>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
> >>>> its not 100%
> >>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
> >>>> Mobile devices
> >>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
> >>>> make

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-03 Thread Robert O'Kane

-1 for mobile usability over desktop

Please keep the "Richt Click" Funktion.



On 11/03/2017 12:47 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:

+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)

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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-03 Thread Oved Ourfali
On Nov 3, 2017 13:48, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.fredi...@upx.com> wrote:

+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)


That was mentioned as one motivation, but as I've explained earlier it is
definitely not the main one.

Regards,
Oved


Regards
Fernando


On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:

> I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
>
> I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
> stable, clean and useful.
> The right or left clicks  or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
> futures are the secondary tasks for me.
> For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
> they can use mOvirt app.
> I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
> advertised futures to make them stable.
> as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
> - please make a ovirt as a  FULL HA solution
> - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
> the first point, not the right click one:).
> - hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
> - strong solution with a multirail HA storage
> - move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
> - scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
> - reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
> Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
> half-solved problems.
>
>
> Greetings from Potsdam,
> Arman.
>
> PS
> an Ovirt user since 3.x
> 8hosts >50Vms
> 4hosts > 6VMS
> 10G,IB,RDMA.
> looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.sle...@slu.cz> wrote:
>
>> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>>
>>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
>>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
>>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>>>
>>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
>>>
>> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
>> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
>> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
>> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
>>
>> Cheers, Jiri
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>> Oved
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
>>> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>>>  miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
>>>  I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
>>>  of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>>
>>>
>>>  ---
>>>> -
>>>>  *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
>>>>  <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>>>>  is now available for testing
>>>>  *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>>>  *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>>>  Because,
>>>>>>  currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>>>  interact with
>>>>>>  object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>>>  - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>>>>  its not 100%
>>>>>  there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>>>  Mobile devices
>>>>>  don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>>>>>  make no
>>>>>  sense.
>>>>>
>>>>  Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>>>  usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real 

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-03 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI

+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)

Regards
Fernando

On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:

I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.

I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks  or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a  FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.


Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.

PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.sle...@slu.cz> wrote:

On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:

As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
(patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.

Cheers, Jiri


Thanks for the feedback!
Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
<mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:

 Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
 miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
 I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
 of use on Desktop over Mobile!



 
 *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
 <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
 is now available for testing
 *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
 *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>


 On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:

 Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
 Because,
 currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
 interact with
 object (migrate, maintenance...)


 Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

 Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
 - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
 its not 100%
 there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
 Mobile devices
 don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
 make no
 sense.

 Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
 usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
 operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
 manage their large environments. If having both options where you
 can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
 should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
 interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
 mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

 So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
 pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
 of a new trend or buzz stuff.
 Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
 be for quite a while.

 - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
 ours and you
 can do things like copy from the menu.
 - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
 buttons/kebab menu
 available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
 used actions as
 a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
 the interface.
 We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
 - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu
 because its
 a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
 was only
 av

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-03 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
2017-11-03 0:31 GMT+01:00 Nehemiah Dacres :

>  Have you stopped supporting Fedora for new releases? I dont' see it in
> the list and the most recent fedora in the mirror list on the previous
> release was 24.
>


Yes, sadly Fedora is moving too fast to be able to match the changes
they've introduced between Fedora 24 and Fedora 27 which will be GA next
week.
I hope we'll be able to re-align with Fedora with oVirt 4.3.


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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-02 Thread Nehemiah Dacres
 Have you stopped supporting Fedora for new releases? I dont' see it in the
list and the most recent fedora in the mirror list on the previous release
was 24.
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-02 Thread Arman Khalatyan
I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.

I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks  or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a  FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.


Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.

PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.sle...@slu.cz> wrote:
> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
>
> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
>
> Cheers, Jiri
>
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
>> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
>> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
>> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>
>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
>>> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>>> is now available for testing
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>> Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>> interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>>> its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>> Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>>>> make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
>>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
&g

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-02 Thread Jiří Sléžka
On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application). 
> 
> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand. 

I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.

Cheers, Jiri

> 
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Oved 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
> 
> 
>> 
>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
>> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>> is now available for testing
>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>> *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>> Because,
>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>> interact with
>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>
>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>
>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>> its not 100%
>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>> Mobile devices
>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>>> make no
>>> sense.
>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>
>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>> be for quite a while.
>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>> ours and you
>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>> used actions as
>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>> the interface.
>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu
>>> because its
>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>> was only
>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>
>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>> or not. For
>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>> back, it is
>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>
>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>>> and better
>>>>> than before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
>>>>>>> the F

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-01 Thread Darrell Budic
From: Greg Sheremeta <gsher...@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now 
> available for testing
> Date: November 1, 2017 at 11:21:52 AM CDT
> To: Robert Story
> Cc: FERNANDO FREDIANI; users
> 
> 
> I'd argue
> that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
> technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
> 
> What are people's opinions on an "actions" button on the far right of the 
> tables?
> See #6 here:
> http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/design 
> <http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/design>
> 
> Would that be an adequate substitute for right-clicking?

Mostly, but I’d prefer the options to be available on the left by the name of 
the VM, as that’s what I’m likely sorting on and where I’m going to find it 
easier to be sure I’ve got the right one when I select an action on a row that 
might not be highlighted yet.

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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-01 Thread Yaniv Kaul
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI  wrote:

> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and that
> is not the case.
>
> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
> may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that
> will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
> considered masses in that sense.
>
> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
> to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
> ;-)


In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)

Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
comfortable to have.
I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
just on top and not far away from the email list).
Y.


>
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 01/11/2017 13:25, Robert Story wrote:
>
>> On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
>>
>>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
>>> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
>>> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
>>> application).
>>>
>> Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
>> that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
>> technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
>>
>> Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
>> everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-01 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI
Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and 
that is not the case.


Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that 
may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that 
will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be 
considered masses in that sense.


Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones 
to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a 
Mouse ;-)


Fernando


On 01/11/2017 13:25, Robert Story wrote:

On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:

As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
application).

Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.

Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.




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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-01 Thread Greg Sheremeta
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Robert Story  wrote:

> On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
> > As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
> > You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> > considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
> > guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
> > application).
>
> Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses.


Actually, PatternFly is focused on enterprise applications.
http://www.patternfly.org/community/
"PatternFly is a community of designers and developers collaborating to
build a UI framework for enterprise web applications"

It is based on Bootstrap, and Bootstrap preaches mobile-friendly and
mobile-first. But agreed with the previous point that we should respect the
non-mobile users since that's how the majority of people currently use
oVirt.


> I'd argue
> that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
> technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
>

What are people's opinions on an "actions" button on the far right of the
tables?
See #6 here:
http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/design

Would that be an adequate substitute for right-clicking?



>
> Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
> everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
>
>
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-11-01 Thread Robert Story
On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
> application).

Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.

Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list. 


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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Eduardo Mayoral
Hey, for sporadic use, you will get used to the new interface soon enough.

For very repetitive tasks, you will probably be using the API anyway.

While I was happy with the old GUI, I do not see anything wrong with the
new one.

@devs: Thanks for the new version!

Eduardo Mayoral Jimeno (emayo...@arsys.es)
Administrador de sistemas. Departamento de Plataformas. Arsys internet.
+34 941 620 145 ext. 5153

On 31/10/17 19:01, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
>
> Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
> different proposes.
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
>> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
>> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
>> application). 
>>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high
>> demand. 
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved 
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
>> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface,
>> but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize
>> ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>
>>
>>> --------------------
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
>>> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
>>> Release is now available for testing
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>> Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>> interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and
>>>> while its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>> Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
>>>> would make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by
>>> day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments
>>> and manage their large environments. If having both options
>>> where you can switch between then is nice, but if something
>>> should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking
>>> about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level
>>> or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>>> be for quite a while.
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>>> ours and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>>> used actions as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>>> the interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
>>>> menu because its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>>> was only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>>
>>>> Now that being said, we are still d

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Darrell Budic
> This is UXD guideline around web applications.
> 
> Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they don't see the 
> browser menu they expect when they right click. 
> 
> There is no "one size fits all here", but that's the guideline we followed. 

That’s very true. I haven’t read the paternfly guidelines, but is there an 
option for a modifier click? Or I might suggest that the machine icon could be 
overloaded with the “old” right click menu on click for that little bit of 
extra functionality?







> On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.fredi...@upx.com 
> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>> wrote:
> Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for 
> different proposes.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see 
>> right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good 
>> user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a 
>> framework we heavily use throughout the application). 
>> 
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand. 
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved 
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com 
>> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. 
>> With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going 
>> to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over 
>> Mobile!
>> 
>> 
>>> From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com 
>>> <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now 
>>> available for testing
>>> Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> To: users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>> 
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>> 
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 
>>>> 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile 
>>>> devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is 
>>> nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody 
>>> uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large 
>>> environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is 
>>> nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not 
>>> talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or 
>>> flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>> 
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful 
>>> for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz 
>>> stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for 
>>> quite a while.
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab 
>>>> menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions 
>>>> as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the 
>>>> interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because 
>>>> its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. 
>>>> For
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
>>>> certainly possi

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Oved Ourfali
This is UXD guideline around web applications.

Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they don't see the
browser menu they expect when they right click.

There is no "one size fits all here", but that's the guideline we followed.


On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.fredi...@upx.com>
wrote:

> Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
> different proposes.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see
> right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a
> good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is
> a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>
> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Oved
>
> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss
>> it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never
>> going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop
>> over Mobile!
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now
>> available for testing
>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>> *To:* users@ovirt.org
>>
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>
>>
>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>
>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>
>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not
>> 100%
>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile
>> devices
>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
>> sense.
>>
>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is
>> nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody
>> uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large
>> environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is
>> nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not
>> talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or
>> flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>
>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty
>> useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or
>> buzz stuff.
>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for
>> quite a while.
>>
>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and
>> you
>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab
>> menu
>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used
>> actions as
>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the
>> interface.
>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because
>> its
>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
>> available in the right click menu.
>>
>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not.
>> For
>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it
>> is
>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>
>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
>> than before.
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>
>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>
>>
>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>> in production.
>>
>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>
>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>> release brings more tha

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI
Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for 
different proposes.


Fernando


On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You 
see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't 
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly 
guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the 
application).


We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

Thanks for the feedback!
Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com 
<mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:


Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface,
but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize
ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!




*From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
<mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
is now available for testing
*Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
*To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>


On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:


Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)


Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and
while its not 100%
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
Mobile devices
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
make no
sense.

Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
manage their large environments. If having both options where you
can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock
Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility
and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
of a new trend or buzz stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
be for quite a while.

- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
ours and you
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
buttons/kebab menu
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
used actions as
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
the interface.
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
menu because its
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
was only
available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
or not. For
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
back, it is
certainly possible we will put it back.


that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
and better
than before.


On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
the First
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017


This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
be used
in production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues
or bugs
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one
thousand
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity
fixes, on
top of oVirt 4.1 series.


What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

  *
The Administration Portalhas been completely
redesigned using
 Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application design.
 It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for
an improved
 user experience.
 *
There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
 *
A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been
added to the
 New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
 *
Open Virtual Netwo

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Oved Ourfali
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see
right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a
good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is
a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

Thanks for the feedback!
Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com> wrote:

> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it.
> With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going
> to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over
> Mobile!
>
>
> --
> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now
> available for testing
> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> *To:* users@ovirt.org
>
>
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>
>
> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>
> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>
> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not
> 100%
> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile
> devices
> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
> sense.
>
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is
> nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody
> uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large
> environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is
> nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not
> talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or
> flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful
> for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz
> stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for
> quite a while.
>
> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
> can do things like copy from the menu.
> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab
> menu
> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions
> as
> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the
> interface.
> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because
> its
> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
> available in the right click menu.
>
> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not.
> For
> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
> certainly possible we will put it back.
>
> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
> than before.
>
> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>
> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>
>
> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
> in production.
>
> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>
> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>
>
> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>
>   *
> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>  user experience.
>  *
> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>  *
> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>  *
> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
>  defined networking (SDN).
>  *
> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>  *
> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
&

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Darrell Budic
Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 
70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use 
it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!


> From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com>
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now 
> available for testing
> Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> To: users@ovirt.org
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>> 
>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>> 
>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 
>> 100%
>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile 
>> devices
>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
>> sense.
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice 
> to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses 
> mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. 
> If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if 
> something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a 
> Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and 
> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
> 
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful 
> for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz 
> stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite 
> a while.
>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu
>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as
>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the 
>> interface.
>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its
>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
>> available in the right click menu.
>> 
>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For
>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>> 
>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
>>>> than before.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   *
>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>>>>>>  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>>>>>>  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>>>>>>  user experience.
>>>>>>  *
>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>>  *
>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>>>>>>  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>  *
>>>>

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI


On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:


Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)


Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
sense.
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is 
nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation 
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their 
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between 
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. 
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need 
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.


So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty 
useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend 
or buzz stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for 
quite a while.

- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface.
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
certainly possible we will put it back.


that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
than before.


On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017


This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
in production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
top of oVirt 4.1 series.


What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

   *
   
  The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using

  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
  user experience.
   
   *
   
  There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
   
   *
   
  A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the

  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
   
   *
   
  Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software

  defined networking (SDN).
   
   *
   
  oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
   
   *
   
  The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common

  administration tasks.
   
   *
   
  Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.


For more information about these and other features, check out the
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
.


This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later


This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
architectures for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)


See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.


Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.


Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/


* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/


[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ 

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt


[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/


[4] 

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Karli Sjöberg
Den 31 okt. 2017 4:43 em skrev Alexander Wels :On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:07:22 AM EDT Nathanaël Blanchet wrote:> Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:> >> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.> >> Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.> >> > >> Fernando> > > > We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal> > if> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with> object (migrate, maintenance...)> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense.- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu.- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu Hold on just a minute, we should really pause and think about this for a while. I mean, I'm more of a pizza guy myself, some might like sushi better. Perhaps a voting is called for;)https://mobile.twitter.com/baekdal/status/92431229443980/Kavailable on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu.Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.> > that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better> > than before.> > > >> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:> >>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First> >>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017> >>> > >>> > >>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used> >>> in production.> >>> > >>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask> >>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs> >>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].> >>> > >>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This> >>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand> >>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on> >>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.> >>> > >>> > >>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?> >>> > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using> >>>  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.> >>>  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved> >>>  user experience.> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the> >>>  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software> >>>  defined networking (SDN).> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common> >>>  administration tasks.> >>>   > >>>   *> >>>   > >>>  Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.> >>> > >>> For more information about these and other features, check out the> >>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post> >>> .> >>> > >>> > >>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:> >>> > >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later> >>> > >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later> >>> > >>> > >>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le> >>> architectures for:> >>> > >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later> >>> > >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later> >>> > >>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)> >>> > >>> > >>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade> >>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.> >>> > >>> > >>> Notes:> >>> > >>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.> >>> > >>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.> >>> > >>> > >>> Additional Resources:> >>> > >>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:> >>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> >>> > >>> > >>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt> >>> > >>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:> >>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/> >>> > 

Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Alexander Wels
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:07:22 AM EDT Nathanaël Blanchet wrote:
> Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
> >> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
> >> Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
> >> 
> >> Fernando
> > 
> > We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal
> > if
> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
> object (migrate, maintenance...)
> 

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% 
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices 
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no 
sense.
- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you 
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu 
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as 
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. 
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its 
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only 
available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For 
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is 
certainly possible we will put it back.

> > that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
> > than before.
> > 
> >> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> >>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
> >>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
> >>> in production.
> >>> 
> >>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
> >>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
> >>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
> >>> 
> >>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
> >>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
> >>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
> >>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
> >>> 
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
> >>>  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
> >>>  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
> >>>  user experience.
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
> >>>  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
> >>>  defined networking (SDN).
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
> >>>  administration tasks.
> >>>   
> >>>   *
> >>>   
> >>>  Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
> >>> 
> >>> For more information about these and other features, check out the
> >>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
> >>> .
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
> >>> 
> >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> >>> 
> >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
> >>> architectures for:
> >>> 
> >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> >>> 
> >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> >>> 
> >>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
> >>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Notes:
> >>> 
> >>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
> >>> 
> >>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Additional Resources:
> >>> 
> >>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
> >>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
> >>> 
> >>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
> >>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Oved Ourfali
The plan was to remove right click.
This is considered less common in web applications from UXD perspective.


On Oct 31, 2017 5:08 PM, "Nathanaël Blanchet"  wrote:

>
>
> Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :
>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
>>
>>> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
>>> Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user
>> portal if
>>
> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>
>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
>> than
>> before.
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>
 The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
 Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017


 This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
 in production.

 Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
 questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
 should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

 This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
 release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
 bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
 top of oVirt 4.1 series.


 What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

   *
The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
  Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
  It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
  user experience.
 *
There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
 *
A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
  New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
 *
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
  defined networking (SDN).
 *
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
 *
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
  administration tasks.
 *
Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.

 For more information about these and other features, check out the
 oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
 .


 This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

 * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

 * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later


 This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
 architectures for:

 * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

 * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

 * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)


 See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
 instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.


 Notes:

 - oVirt Appliance is already available.

 - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.


 Additional Resources:

 * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
 http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ 

 * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

 * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
 http://www.ovirt.org/blog/


 [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ 

 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
 

 [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
 

 [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
 


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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Nathanaël Blanchet



Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:

Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.

Fernando


We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if
Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, 
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with 
object (migrate, maintenance...)

that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than
before.


On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017


This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
in production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
top of oVirt 4.1 series.


What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

  *
  
 The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using

 Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
 It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
 user experience.
  
  *
  
 There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
  
  *
  
 A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the

 New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
  
  *
  
 Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software

 defined networking (SDN).
  
  *
  
 oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
  
  *
  
 The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common

 administration tasks.
  
  *
  
 Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.


For more information about these and other features, check out the
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
.


This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later


This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
architectures for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)


See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.


Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.


Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ 

* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/


[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ 

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt


[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/


[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/



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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Alexander Wels
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
> Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
> 
> Fernando
> 

We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if 
that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than 
before. 

> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
> > Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
> > 
> > 
> > This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
> > in production.
> > 
> > Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
> > questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
> > should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
> > 
> > This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
> > release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
> > bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
> > top of oVirt 4.1 series.
> > 
> > 
> > What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
> > 
> >  *
> >  
> > The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
> > Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
> > It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
> > user experience.
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
> > New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
> > defined networking (SDN).
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
> > administration tasks.
> >  
> >  *
> >  
> > Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
> > 
> > For more information about these and other features, check out the
> > oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
> > .
> > 
> > 
> > This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
> > 
> > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> > 
> > * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> > 
> > 
> > This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
> > architectures for:
> > 
> > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> > 
> > * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> > 
> > * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
> > 
> > 
> > See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
> > instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
> > 
> > 
> > Notes:
> > 
> > - oVirt Appliance is already available.
> > 
> > - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
> > 
> > 
> > Additional Resources:
> > 
> > * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
> > http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ 
> > 
> > * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
> > 
> > * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
> > http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
> > 
> > 
> > [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ 
> > 
> > [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
> > 
> > 
> > [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> > 
> > 
> > [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread FERNANDO FREDIANI
Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations. 
Hope it  keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.


Fernando

On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:


The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First 
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017



This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used 
in production.


Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask 
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs 
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].


This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This 
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand 
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on 
top of oVirt 4.1 series.



What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

 *

The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
user experience.

 *

There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.

 *

A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.

 *

Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
defined networking (SDN).

 *

oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.

 *

The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
administration tasks.

 *

Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.


For more information about these and other features, check out the 
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post 
.



This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later


This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le 
architectures for:


* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)


See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade 
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.



Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.


Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: 
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ 


* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: 
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/



[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ 

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt 



[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ 



[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ 



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[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

2017-10-31 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First Beta
Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017

This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used in
production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask questions
and interact with developers and users.
All issues or bugs should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This release
brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand bug fixes,
including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on top of oVirt 4.1
series.

What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?


   -

   The Administration Portal has been completely redesigned using
   Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design. It now
   features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved user experience.
   -

   There is an all-new VM Portal for non-admin users.
   -

   A new High Performance virtual machine type has been added to the New VM
   dialog box in the Administration Portal.
   -

   Open Virtual Network (OVN) adds support for Open vSwitch software
   defined networking (SDN).
   -

   oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
   -

   The ovirt-ansible-roles package helps users with common administration
   tasks.
   -

   Virt-v2v now supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.


For more information about these and other features, check out the oVirt
4.2.0 blog post .

This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le architectures
for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)

See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade instructions and
a list of new features and bugs fixed.

Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.

Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/

* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/

[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt

[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/

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