Re: [ovirt-users] Migrate to Hosted Engine - problem with doc/web page

2014-05-20 Thread Sven Kieske


Am 20.05.2014 11:20, schrieb Yedidyah Bar David:
> You are right that it is written for a case in which both old and new
> engines use the same remote database. This was done to simplify the howto,
> as dealing with the database is unrelated to hosted-engine, which is the
> subject of this howto.

Well I fail to see why this is unrelated.

As you can see, you need a database.

In my opinion every tutorial, no matter what it's about, has
to state what prerequisites are needed to achieve the goal
of the tutorial.

In the case for hosted engine, you clearly _need_ a database.

I guess the real reason was to "simplify" the howto.
Indeed it was so much simplified that it doesn't work
if you just follow the tutorial, as was proven by Bob.

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Re: [ovirt-users] Migrate to Hosted Engine - problem with doc/web page

2014-05-20 Thread Yedidyah Bar David
Hi,

Migrating an engine between machines using engine-backup is unrelated to
hosted-engine. For details about that, please see [1], especially the
howto section.

In general, if you want to use a local database, you have to prepare it
yourself prior to restore - engine-backup will not do that for you.

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt-engine-backup

- Original Message -
> From: "Bob Doolittle" 
> To: "users" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:13:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Migrate to Hosted Engine - problem with doc/web
> page
> 
> For the record, I'm pretty sure the How-To at
> http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine actually requires an
> external database, although it never states so.

You are right that it is written for a case in which both old and new
engines use the same remote database. This was done to simplify the howto,
as dealing with the database is unrelated to hosted-engine, which is the
subject of this howto.

> The instructions as written will not work otherwise, because it presumes
> a pre-existing database before running engine-backup restore.
> 
> If somebody can confirm I can open a bug on the page.

You are welcome to do that, or better yet, document your own process
and post that somewhere :-)

> 
> In any case I have started over with a fresh engine-setup in a fresh VM.
> 
> Having some issues I'll state in a different thread for clarity.
> 
> -Bob

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Re: [ovirt-users] Migrate to Hosted Engine - problem with doc/web page

2014-05-19 Thread Bob Doolittle
For the record, I'm pretty sure the How-To at 
http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine actually requires an 
external database, although it never states so.
The instructions as written will not work otherwise, because it presumes 
a pre-existing database before running engine-backup restore.


If somebody can confirm I can open a bug on the page.

In any case I have started over with a fresh engine-setup in a fresh VM.

Having some issues I'll state in a different thread for clarity.

-Bob

On 05/19/2014 12:25 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to follow the instructions here:

http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine

I've shut down my original engine and completed engine-backup.
I've completed hosted-engine --deploy to the point where my new engine 
VM is up and running, and I've installed the 3.4-stable version of 
engine-install on it.


Now I want to restore the backup on my new engine.

However, at this point the instructions/how-to suddenly introduces a 
new host name "didi-lap" which was not mentioned previously:


engine-backup --mode=restore --file=backup1 --log=backup1-restore.log 
--change-db-credentials --db-host=didi-lap --db-user=engine 
--db-password --db-name=engine


The only entities introduced in this How-To are:

ovirttest.home.localThe DNS CNAME record of the Engine (before 
and after migration)
my-engine.home.localThe underlying hostname of the original 
engine
didi-box1.home.localThe new machine which will run self-hosted 
engine



I am not sure what (if anything) I should supply for db-host.
In my original setup, my engine had the db locally (I presume - 
whatever the default was).


In my new setup, my engine will have the same name as it did in the 
old setup (it was a VM previously, I took it down).


Do I even need to specify the db-host or change-db-credentials arguments?

Do these instructions require that the database was originally stored 
on an external entity (didi-lap) and that the database still resides 
there?

Or does it backup/restore the database entirely?

Thanks,
Bob



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[ovirt-users] Migrate to Hosted Engine - problem with doc/web page

2014-05-19 Thread Bob Doolittle

Hi,

I'm trying to follow the instructions here:

http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine

I've shut down my original engine and completed engine-backup.
I've completed hosted-engine --deploy to the point where my new engine 
VM is up and running, and I've installed the 3.4-stable version of 
engine-install on it.


Now I want to restore the backup on my new engine.

However, at this point the instructions/how-to suddenly introduces a new 
host name "didi-lap" which was not mentioned previously:



engine-backup --mode=restore --file=backup1 --log=backup1-restore.log 
--change-db-credentials --db-host=didi-lap --db-user=engine --db-password 
--db-name=engine


The only entities introduced in this How-To are:

ovirttest.home.localThe DNS CNAME record of the Engine (before and 
after migration)
my-engine.home.localThe underlying hostname of the original engine
didi-box1.home.localThe new machine which will run self-hosted 
engine


I am not sure what (if anything) I should supply for db-host.
In my original setup, my engine had the db locally (I presume - whatever 
the default was).


In my new setup, my engine will have the same name as it did in the old 
setup (it was a VM previously, I took it down).


Do I even need to specify the db-host or change-db-credentials arguments?

Do these instructions require that the database was originally stored on 
an external entity (didi-lap) and that the database still resides there?

Or does it backup/restore the database entirely?

Thanks,
Bob

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