[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Thomas Hoberg]

> Wait a minute.
> 
> Use of GlusterFS as a storage backend is now deperecated and will be
> removed in a future update?
> 
> What are those who's deployments have GlusterFS as their storage
> backend supposed to use as a replacement?
> 
They are to fully understand the opportunities and risks that come from a 
community open source project:
1. Risk: the project can die at any time from lack of support
2. Opportunity: if you help developing a sufficiently great alternative it may 
be taken aboard

> I'm feeling vibes of the SPICE deprecation all over again. but
> moving all of the VM storage data isn't a quick process, and I don't
> want to move it to something else that will also be depercated by a
> future RH whim

If you want to be safe from "a future RH whim" (it's the community, really, and 
your organization is free to invest more than RH), you need to look for or 
create a community where RH is the minority.

In short, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect others to go to unreasonable 
lenghts to support you for free.

But they could have done a much better job at describing just how shaky things 
were.
> 
> -Patrick Hibbs
> 
> On Fri, 2022-02-04 at 08:42 +0100, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[less foobar via Users]

I'm currently testing ceph with proxmox. Its taking 50Gb of ram for 21 OSDs so 
yeah lets not compare it to gluster
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Leo David]

HCI architectured virtualisation enviroments provide quite a lot of
benefits for different implementation scenarios. From rought point of view,
they combine 3 main components in horizontal scaling out fashion ( compute,
storage, networking)
As a starting point, i think you may want to have a look on this:
https://storpool.com/blog/is-hyper-converged-infrastructure-what-you-need/

Regards,

Leo


On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 08:00 Pascal DeMilly  wrote:

> What advantages does ovirt in hyperconerge mode offer over using glusterfs
> on a separate stack unrelated to orvirt except as a domain storage? I am
> looking into moving our NFS server to a distributed redundant solution.
> What is the best, most reliable, fastest solution I could build that ovirt
> can use but doesn't manage or is it necessary to let ovirt manage its
> domains as well
>
> TIA
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 3:00 PM Strahil Nikolov via Users 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not so sure. Usually Gluster is used in Hyperconverged scenarios.
>> CEPH is more damanding and I would calculate my reaources several times
>> before considering it in Hyperconverged.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Strahil Nikolov
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 0:01, Leo David
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Pascal DeMilly]

What advantages does ovirt in hyperconerge mode offer over using glusterfs
on a separate stack unrelated to orvirt except as a domain storage? I am
looking into moving our NFS server to a distributed redundant solution.
What is the best, most reliable, fastest solution I could build that ovirt
can use but doesn't manage or is it necessary to let ovirt manage its
domains as well

TIA

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 3:00 PM Strahil Nikolov via Users 
wrote:

> I'm not so sure. Usually Gluster is used in Hyperconverged scenarios.
> CEPH is more damanding and I would calculate my reaources several times
> before considering it in Hyperconverged.
>
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 0:01, Leo David
>  wrote:
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Strahil Nikolov via Users]

I'm not so sure. Usually Gluster is used in Hyperconverged scenarios.CEPH is 
more damanding and I would calculate my reaources several times before 
considering it in Hyperconverged.
Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov 
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 0:01, Leo David wrote:   
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Leo David]

Ceph native usage (no iscis's or any other abstraction) will do the job and
elavate entire thing to a NEXT level.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 17:51 less foobar via Users  wrote:

> I quote you from the https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016359
> Sandro Bonazzola 2022-02-07 06:42:27 UTC
>
> (In reply to Nir Soffer from comment #4)
> Is this relevant to oVirt? Do we plan to deprecate Gluster usage in oVirt?
>
> The Gluster upstream website doesn't mention any intention to stop the
> development so I think oVirt is not affected by RHGS EOL.
>
> So the question now is what changed???
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[less foobar via Users]

I quote you from the https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016359
Sandro Bonazzola 2022-02-07 06:42:27 UTC

(In reply to Nir Soffer from comment #4)
Is this relevant to oVirt? Do we plan to deprecate Gluster usage in oVirt?

The Gluster upstream website doesn't mention any intention to stop the 
development so I think oVirt is not affected by RHGS EOL.

So the question now is what changed???
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[David White via Users]

I have had a lot of problems with gluster in my HCO environment, so was already 
leanings towards a storage migration at some point this year. My own plan is to 
use 2x Synology NAS SA3400 devices and put them into a HA pair that then 
exposes the storage as NFS (or whatever else I want it exposed as). 

I was planning on this migration before I saw the notes about Gluster support 
being officially dropped, and I would be happy to provide more insight to the 
list on how that progresses. I have a lot of experience with Synology, and they 
are a low-cost option for highly available storage.

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On Saturday, February 5th, 2022 at 10:43 AM, Patrick Hibbs 
 wrote:

> Wait a minute.
> 

> Use of GlusterFS as a storage backend is now deperecated and will be removed 
> in a future update?
> 

> What are those who's deployments have GlusterFS as their storage backend 
> supposed to use as a replacement?
> 

> I'm feeling vibes of the SPICE deprecation all over again. but moving all 
> of the VM storage data isn't a quick process, and I don't want to move it to 
> something else that will also be depercated by a future RH whim
> 

> -Patrick Hibbs
> 

> On Fri, 2022-02-04 at 08:42 +0100, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> 

> > Il giorno ven 4 feb 2022 alle ore 08:19 Strahil Nikolov 
> >  ha scritto:
> > 

> > > Hi Sandro,
> > > 

> > > It seems that with 
> > > https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/commit/f3286b2e1f2871978d054250556f1b4f0eb7f09e#diff-41cf6794ba4200b839c53531555f0f3998df4cbb01a4d5cb0b94e3ca5e23947d
> > >  all refference to Gluster & Hyperconverged is removed from the website.
> > > 

> > > Can you clarify the situation with Hyperconverged deployments ?
> > 

> > Hi, the Gluster & Hyperconverged deployment moved outside the documentation 
> > section on the website: https://ovirt.org/dropped/gluster-hyperconverged/ 
> > as it's outdated and unmaintained.GlusterFS is being deprecated for usage 
> > on storage domains: Bug 2016359 - Deprecate usage of GlusterFS for Storage 
> > DomainsAnd the hyperconverged solution for oVirt is based on GlusterFS, so 
> > it's being deprecated as well. 
> > 

> > > Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov
> > 

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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Patrick Hibbs]

Wait a minute.

Use of GlusterFS as a storage backend is now deperecated and will be
removed in a future update?

What are those who's deployments have GlusterFS as their storage
backend supposed to use as a replacement?

I'm feeling vibes of the SPICE deprecation all over again. but
moving all of the VM storage data isn't a quick process, and I don't
want to move it to something else that will also be depercated by a
future RH whim

-Patrick Hibbs

On Fri, 2022-02-04 at 08:42 +0100, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> 
> 
> Il giorno ven 4 feb 2022 alle ore 08:19 Strahil Nikolov
>  ha scritto:
> > Hi Sandro,
> > 
> > It seems that with
> >
> https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/commit/f3286b2e1f2871978d054250556f1b4f0eb7f09e#diff-41cf6794ba4200b839c53531555f0f3998df4cbb01a4d5cb0b94e3ca5e23947d
> > all refference to Gluster & Hyperconverged is removed from the
> > website.
> > 
> > 
> > Can you clarify the situation with Hyperconverged deployments ?
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi, the Gluster & Hyperconverged deployment moved outside the
> documentation section on the
> website: https://ovirt.org/dropped/gluster-hyperconverged/ as it's
> outdated and unmaintained.
> GlusterFS is being deprecated for usage on storage
> domains: Bug 2016359 - Deprecate usage of GlusterFS for Storage
> Domains
> And the hyperconverged solution for oVirt is based on GlusterFS, so
> it's being deprecated as well.
>  
> > 
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Strahil Nikolov
> 
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Strahil Nikolov via Users]

So,we deprecate GlusterFS ? I understand it for RHV , but for oVirt, where 
support was never an option, it doesn't make sense ?
Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov 
 
  On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 9:43, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:   

Il giorno ven 4 feb 2022 alle ore 08:19 Strahil Nikolov  
ha scritto:

Hi Sandro,
It seems that with 
https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/commit/f3286b2e1f2871978d054250556f1b4f0eb7f09e#diff-41cf6794ba4200b839c53531555f0f3998df4cbb01a4d5cb0b94e3ca5e23947d
 all refference to Gluster & Hyperconverged is removed from the website.

Can you clarify the situation with Hyperconverged deployments ?

Hi, the Gluster & Hyperconverged deployment moved outside the documentation 
section on the website: https://ovirt.org/dropped/gluster-hyperconverged/ as 
it's outdated and unmaintained.GlusterFS is being deprecated for usage on 
storage domains: Bug 2016359 - Deprecate usage of GlusterFS for Storage 
DomainsAnd the hyperconverged solution for oVirt is based on GlusterFS, so it's 
being deprecated as well. 



Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov


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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Guillaume Pavese]

This is the first time I hear that hyperconverged won't be supported in the
short future.
Since Ceph is supported by oVirt, wouldn't it be possible to use this for
hyperconverged deployments?

We are in the planning phase to buy servers for a typical 3 Gluster/Hosts
nodes deployment. Should we rethink it?

Guillaume Pavese
Ingénieur Système et Réseau
Interactiv-Group


On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:49 PM Sandro Bonazzola  wrote:

>
>
> Il giorno ven 4 feb 2022 alle ore 08:19 Strahil Nikolov <
> hunter86...@yahoo.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Sandro,
>>
>> It seems that with
>> https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/commit/f3286b2e1f2871978d054250556f1b4f0eb7f09e#diff-41cf6794ba4200b839c53531555f0f3998df4cbb01a4d5cb0b94e3ca5e23947d
>> all refference to Gluster & Hyperconverged is removed from the website.
>>
>>
>> Can you clarify the situation with Hyperconverged deployments ?
>>
>
> Hi, the Gluster & Hyperconverged deployment moved outside the
> documentation section on the website:
> https://ovirt.org/dropped/gluster-hyperconverged/ as it's outdated and
> unmaintained.
> GlusterFS is being deprecated for usage on storage domains: Bug 2016359
>  - Deprecate usage
> of GlusterFS for Storage Domains
> And the hyperconverged solution for oVirt is based on GlusterFS, so it's
> being deprecated as well.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Strahil Nikolov
>>
>
>
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[ovirt-users] Re: Remove obsolete Gluster hyperconverged doc

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno ven 4 feb 2022 alle ore 08:19 Strahil Nikolov <
hunter86...@yahoo.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Sandro,
>
> It seems that with
> https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/commit/f3286b2e1f2871978d054250556f1b4f0eb7f09e#diff-41cf6794ba4200b839c53531555f0f3998df4cbb01a4d5cb0b94e3ca5e23947d
> all refference to Gluster & Hyperconverged is removed from the website.
>
>
> Can you clarify the situation with Hyperconverged deployments ?
>

Hi, the Gluster & Hyperconverged deployment moved outside the documentation
section on the website: https://ovirt.org/dropped/gluster-hyperconverged/
as it's outdated and unmaintained.
GlusterFS is being deprecated for usage on storage domains: Bug 2016359
 - Deprecate usage of
GlusterFS for Storage Domains
And the hyperconverged solution for oVirt is based on GlusterFS, so it's
being deprecated as well.


>
>
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
>


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