[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno mar 4 mag 2021 alle ore 00:35 Thomas Hoberg 
ha scritto:

> Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
>

more than a question to the users community this sounds like feedback on
current pain points :-)

- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
>

+Rejy Cyriac  how well is documented and how can we
improve the experience for this step?


> - single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota
> issues"?

- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure
> coding for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
> - oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage
> as initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role
> differentiation?
>

I think these needs further explanation but I'll let Gluster team to ask
about them


> - it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM
> these days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
>

Anyone willing to donate this edgy hardware to the project so we can fully
validate oVirt on such hardware?
https://ovirt.org/community/get-involved/donate-hardware.html


> - oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks,
> including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node
> HCI) including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
>

Can you please detail the test criteria? Just noting here we lack the
hardware for testing a 9 node HCI setup in oVirt Jenkins.


> - import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard
> operations against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
>

Any specific issue seen on this?


- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts,
> recognizing each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each
> assuming it owned the host?
>

I don't foresee this to happen, if you want to run VMs and containers on
the same hosts you should probably look at OKD+Kubevirt as soltution.


> - RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the
> oVirt node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
>

Yes, working with 3rd party drivers is not easy while using Node. For this
case a plain CentOS / RHEL would work better.
There's a bug in Anaconda that doesn't allow to easily handle 3rd party
driver installation with image based installation.


> - nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully
> testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the
> physical hardware?
>

nested virtualization is used for testing oVirt on x86_64 always. All oVirt
System Tests suite relies on nested virtualization working.


> - Ansible was just 1x faster?
>

This is not something the oVirt  team can do :-) we can suggest something
to speed up:
https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-ansible-hosted-engine-setup#deployment-time-improvements
but it may have its corner cases when it may not work as espected.


> - oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back
> at any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)


maybe worth splitting the discussion on separate threads per topic.



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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Thomas Hoberg]

Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
- single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota 
issues"?
- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure coding 
for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
- oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage as 
initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role 
differentiation?
- it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM these 
days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
- oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks, 
including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node HCI) 
including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
- import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard operations 
against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts, recognizing 
each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each assuming it 
owned the host?
- RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the oVirt 
node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
- nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully 
testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the physical 
hardware?
- Ansible was just 1x faster?
- oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back at 
any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:55 PM Jiří Sléžka  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > Hi,
> > it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> > provide feedback with a survey.
> > Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
> maybe something about most wanted new feature?

Perhaps add one or more questions about the base OS. E.g.:

* What are your plans regarding the base OS, with the recent changes in CentOS?

- Stay on oVirt 4.3 + CentOS 7 for the time being

- Manually upgrade to CentOS Stream on both engine and hosts

- Use only ovirt-node and the appliance [2]

- Migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux or some rebuild of it (and
please provide details - which one?)

- More than one of the above, depending on use case (and please provide details)

And perhaps also ask about plans in light of Red Hat's RHV roadmap
[1], to slowly phase out RHV in favor of OpenShift Virtualization:

* What are your plans for the next 2-3 years for your virtualization
use (see also [1])?

- Migrate to OKD/kubevirt

- Stay on oVirt for the time being

- Migrate to Oracle's OLVM and expect/ask that they continue
supporting it further

- Migrate to some other FOSS virtualization project (which? Please
provide details)

- Migrate to some proprietary product (which? Please provide details)

[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev

[2] ovirt-node and ovirt-engine-appliance are images created by oVirt
for releases. These are going through at least basic testing before
announcing a release. If/when oVirt starts basing them on CentOS
Stream, one can expect them to be tested before the release, at least
so that they can be considered some kind of a “stable base” to work
from. Then, updating to newer versions of packages provided by CentOS
Stream is up to the user: Some would prefer to not ever do this (until
the next release of oVirt), some would cherry-pick specific updates as
needed/relevant (e.g. security-related updates), and some might update
everything daily (e.g. for testing).

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Konstantin Shalygin]

Hi Sandro,

The question is - will ovirt plan to provide database migration scripts from 
deprecated OpenStack provider to cinderlib? I mean put in survey actual users 
and quantity of images in domain


Thanks,
k

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Tony Brian Albers]

Maybe also some questions about what kind of storage people use?

Do they use a dedicated file server or something distributed like gluster?

Storage filesystems that could be used:

XFS
ZFS(FreeBSD/Solaris/Illumos/Linux)
Hammer(DragonflyBSD)
OneFS (EMC Isilon)
GPFS(IBM)
etc.

/tony

On 4/29/21 9:59 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> 
> 
> Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 09:37 marek  > ha scritto:
> 
> hi Sandro,
> 
> SW components used for cluster like:
> 
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
> 
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
> 
> - Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
> 
> 
> make sense, adding.
> 
> ...
> 
> Marek
> 
> 
> Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:08 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:

> Hi Sandro
>
> First of all thank you leading this project.. can you share us what is the
> road map of this project for next 5 years?


oVirt project tracks plans in bugzilla, you can see what's being planned
here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=classification%3Aovirt
and contribute shaping what's coming next.

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:10 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:

> Also any plan to integrate ceph storage into ovirt Hyperconverged solution
> as we did for Gluster?
>

I'm not aware of any effort planned for it

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 09:37 marek  ha
scritto:

> hi Sandro,
>
> SW components used for cluster like:
>
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
>
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
>
> - Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
>

make sense, adding.


> ...
>
> Marek
>
>
> Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):
>
> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
> feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[marek]

hi Sandro,

SW components used for cluster like:

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts

- Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts

...

Marek


Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):

Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to 
provide feedback with a survey.

Any questions you'd like to be asked?

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users]

Also any plan to integrate ceph storage into ovirt Hyperconverged solution as 
we did for Gluster? 
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

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Hi Sandro

First of all thank you leading this project.. can you share us what is the road 
map of this project for next 5 years? 
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:55 PM Jiří Sléžka  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > Hi,
> > it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> > provide feedback with a survey.
> > Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
> maybe something about most wanted new feature?

+1 from me, but I'd like to add: Bugs and features are tracked in bugzilla.
If you want a new feature, please open a bug, with subject starting with '[RFE]'
(and bugzilla should automatically also add to it the keyword FutureFeature).
If you are interested in an existing open bug/RFE, please comment on it saying
so, preferably with concrete reasons as applicable.

I also have vague memories about being about to press a "vote" button for bugs,
but can't find it right now.

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Jiří Sléžka]

Hi,

On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
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> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> provide feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?

maybe something about most wanted new feature?

Cheers,

Jiri

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola <
sbona...@redhat.com> ha scritto:

> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
> feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>

For reference, Autumn survey results:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzzh_MSsSq-LSQLauJzuaHC0Va1baXm84A_9XBCIileLNSPQ/viewanalytics



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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Desired storage options
Desired single server setup with included maintenance and updates made easy
Backup improvements desiderata

Thanks,
Gianluca

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