Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-14 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
Il 08/05/2014 18:06, Paul Heinlein ha scritto:
> On Thu, 8 May 2014, Gabi C wrote:
> 
>> Which is the proper way of keeping nodes up to date?
>>
>> I tried from WebUI, after putting node on mainetnance "[clear.cache.gif] 
>> Host is in maintenance mode, you can Activate it by pressing the Activate
>> button. If you wish to upgrade or reinstall it click here ."
>>
>> but no effect, so I guess that installing ovirt repo and 
>> fedora-ovirt-preview repo is the proper way, right?
> 
> I'll add that I'm also interested in a discussion of this question.
> 
> I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on Fedora 18 and 
> would dearly love some direction about updating things without a
> system-wide downtime.

Take a look at this upgrade guide for upgrading 3.2/f18 to 3.3/f19:
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_3.2_to_3.3_upgrade

It was tested a lot of time ago, so I'm not sure it still works with latest F19 
packages.




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Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-11 Thread Gabi C
Hello!

>From my experience, updating my setup - 3 nodes + 1 engine ESXi VM; all F19
ovirt 3.2 -> 3.3 -.3.4 and now 3.4.1 with all 3 nodes acting also as
gluster replicated nodes - you may also run into gluster issues -
compatibility between different gluster version, slit-brain etc.  -
client&server when you apply gluster updates


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Itamar Heim  wrote:

> On 05/12/2014 12:43 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 May 2014, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>
>>   I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on
  Fedora 18 and would dearly love some direction about updating
  things without a system-wide downtime.

>>>
>>> 1. no downtime should happen, as you can upgrade hosts by moving
>>>them to maintenance, which will live migrate VMs running on them.
>>>
>>> 2. fedora 18 is EOL, so 'yum update' isn't going to help here.
>>>
>>> 3. re-install host should refresh vdsm and its dependent packages if
>>>the repo's configured have newer versions. when the host is in
>>>maint, you can simply run 'yum update' on the host, then
>>>re-activate it (of course reboot if kernel got updated, etc.)
>>>
>>
>> I've followed those steps, and I can get VMs migrated *to* the updated
>> nodes. I have two worries:
>>
>>   1. VMs migrated to the updated nodes cannot be migrated back to the
>>  old nodes. So once I start, it's all-in or nothing. Is that to be
>>  expected?
>>
>
> on fedora hosts this can happen, since there is no live migration
> compatibility between fedora versions.
> on .el6 hosts this shouldn't happen[1]
>
>
>
>>   2. Once all the nodes are backed up, is there a fairly sure-fire way
>>  to update the master engine? Is that documented somewhere?
>>
>
> a. you should be able to upgrade engine or hosts regardless of each
>other.
> b. the setup (upgrade) script takes a db backup just in case. if you
>happen to run it in a VM, snapshot/backing it up doesn't hurt as
>well.
> c. if upgrading to a new minor version, note to change in the upgraded
>engine the cluster and DC level to benefit from new features.
>
>
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
> [1] there is a known caveat is you have selinux disabled on some machines
> and enabled on others.
>
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Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-11 Thread Itamar Heim

On 05/12/2014 12:43 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Itamar Heim wrote:


 I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on
 Fedora 18 and would dearly love some direction about updating
 things without a system-wide downtime.


1. no downtime should happen, as you can upgrade hosts by moving
   them to maintenance, which will live migrate VMs running on them.

2. fedora 18 is EOL, so 'yum update' isn't going to help here.

3. re-install host should refresh vdsm and its dependent packages if
   the repo's configured have newer versions. when the host is in
   maint, you can simply run 'yum update' on the host, then
   re-activate it (of course reboot if kernel got updated, etc.)


I've followed those steps, and I can get VMs migrated *to* the updated
nodes. I have two worries:

  1. VMs migrated to the updated nodes cannot be migrated back to the
 old nodes. So once I start, it's all-in or nothing. Is that to be
 expected?


on fedora hosts this can happen, since there is no live migration 
compatibility between fedora versions.

on .el6 hosts this shouldn't happen[1]



  2. Once all the nodes are backed up, is there a fairly sure-fire way
 to update the master engine? Is that documented somewhere?


a. you should be able to upgrade engine or hosts regardless of each
   other.
b. the setup (upgrade) script takes a db backup just in case. if you
   happen to run it in a VM, snapshot/backing it up doesn't hurt as
   well.
c. if upgrading to a new minor version, note to change in the upgraded
   engine the cluster and DC level to benefit from new features.




Thanks!



[1] there is a known caveat is you have selinux disabled on some 
machines and enabled on others.

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Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-11 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Itamar Heim wrote:


 I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on
 Fedora 18 and would dearly love some direction about updating
 things without a system-wide downtime.


1. no downtime should happen, as you can upgrade hosts by moving
   them to maintenance, which will live migrate VMs running on them.

2. fedora 18 is EOL, so 'yum update' isn't going to help here.

3. re-install host should refresh vdsm and its dependent packages if
   the repo's configured have newer versions. when the host is in
   maint, you can simply run 'yum update' on the host, then
   re-activate it (of course reboot if kernel got updated, etc.)


I've followed those steps, and I can get VMs migrated *to* the updated 
nodes. I have two worries:


 1. VMs migrated to the updated nodes cannot be migrated back to the
old nodes. So once I start, it's all-in or nothing. Is that to be
expected?

 2. Once all the nodes are backed up, is there a fairly sure-fire way
to update the master engine? Is that documented somewhere?

Thanks!

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Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-11 Thread Itamar Heim

On 05/08/2014 12:06 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:

On Thu, 8 May 2014, Gabi C wrote:


Which is the proper way of keeping nodes up to date?

I tried from WebUI, after putting node on mainetnance
"[clear.cache.gif] Host is in maintenance mode, you can Activate it by
pressing the Activate button. If you wish to upgrade or reinstall it
click here ."

but no effect, so I guess that installing ovirt repo and
fedora-ovirt-preview repo is the proper way, right?


I'll add that I'm also interested in a discussion of this question.

I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on Fedora
18 and would dearly love some direction about updating things without a
system-wide downtime.


1. no downtime should happen, as you can upgrade hosts by moving them to 
maintenance, which will live migrate VMs running on them.


2. fedora 18 is EOL, so 'yum update' isn't going to help here.

3. re-install host should refresh vdsm and its dependent packages if the 
repo's configured have newer versions. when the host is in maint, you 
can simply run 'yum update' on the host, then re-activate it (of course 
reboot if kernel got updated, etc.)

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Re: [ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-08 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Thu, 8 May 2014, Gabi C wrote:


Which is the proper way of keeping nodes up to date?

I tried from WebUI, after putting node on mainetnance 
"[clear.cache.gif] Host is in maintenance mode, you can Activate it 
by pressing the Activate button. If you wish to upgrade or reinstall 
it click here ."


but no effect, so I guess that installing ovirt repo and 
fedora-ovirt-preview repo is the proper way, right?


I'll add that I'm also interested in a discussion of this question.

I just inherited an oVirt cluster at work that's running 3.2 on Fedora 
18 and would dearly love some direction about updating things without 
a system-wide downtime.


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[ovirt-users] Updating nodes

2014-05-08 Thread Gabi C
Hello!



Which is the proper way of keeping nodes up to date?

I tried from WebUI, after putting node on mainetnance
"
Host is in maintenance mode, you can Activate it by pressing the Activate
button. If you wish to upgrade or reinstall it click
here
."


  but no effect, so I guess that installing ovirt repo and
fedora-ovirt-preview repo is the proper way, right?
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