Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Jan-Frode Myklebust
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:22:50PM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte wrote:
 
 Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a
 server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use
 it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly.

Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm
worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to
ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual
ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts.


 Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll
 definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more
 exciting then adding Active Sync support.

  :-)



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[SOGo] Problem connecting native Outlook mode

2013-09-19 Thread mlists

Hello everyone,

first of all thanks for the great product, we have been using SOGo here 
for some time now

with no problems at all.

Now we would like to introduce the native Outlook support to our users,
but we ran into some problems.

Samba keeps on failing with an uncaught exception:

mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:682(EcDoRpc_process_transaction)
  MAPI Rop: 0x4e (78)
0x0x29c3800[MAPIStoreDBMessageTable]   version: 1e8b
/usr/sbin/samba: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason:
[MAPIStoreDBMessage-getPidTagMessageClass:inMemCtx:] should be 
overridden by subclass


If that happens, Outlook looses its connection to the server
and doesn't recover until the service gets restartet.

In that case the end user sees Outlook asking for username/password, 
but doesn't get a connection until the service is restarted.


Any ideas?

best regards,
Kalle
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Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails

2013-09-19 Thread Relu Parfene

On 18.09.2013 17:41, labolinux wrote:

Le 18/09/2013 14:36, Szládovics Péter a écrit :

2013-09-18 13:24 keltezéssel, labolinux írta:

Bonjour,
We configured SOGowith all its dependencies (ldap, postfix, 
cyrus-imap, postgresql)
on centos 6.4.Everything is working well, unless the fact that users 
are not receiving emails.
Every dependency took alone is working well. Has anyone faced that 
issue? How did he resolve it?

What can we do to resolve it?
Thank you in advance.


You need to cehck the followings:
- Mail logs (included separated dovecot log)
- Mail queue

Find error messages, and write them to us.

Hi Peter,
we are not using dovecot, we are using cyrus-imapd instead.
Here is theoutput of the log after sending an email
Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/deliver[24730]: 
connect(/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp) failed: Permission denied
Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24719]: USAGE neutronstein user: 
0.001000 sys: 0.002000
Sep 18 16:28:31 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24623]: login: localhost 
[127.0.0.1] neutronstein plaintext User logged in 
SESSIONID=cyrus-24623-1379521711-1


note: we changed the ownet of the file an the rights to 777 but 
nothing changed.

Thank you



Hi,

It seems you have an issue with lmtp daemon. Try these steps:
1. Check if lmtp daemon is running:
telnet 0 24
If it is working, you have to have a prompt similar to this one (i use 
dovecot):


Trying 0.0.0.0...
Connected to 0.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 host.domain.tld Dovecot LMTP ready

If not, then check why lmtp daemon is not working.

2. If lmtp is ok try to change the local mail delivery from unix socket 
to inet like this (main.cf in postfix):


mailbox_transport = lmtp:inet:127.0.0.1:24

then reload postfix

Hope that help.

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Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails

2013-09-19 Thread Martin (Lists)
Am 18.09.2013 16:41, schrieb labolinux:
 Le 18/09/2013 14:36, Szládovics Péter a écrit :
 2013-09-18 13:24 keltezéssel, labolinux írta:
 Bonjour,
 We configured SOGowith all its dependencies (ldap, postfix,
 cyrus-imap, postgresql)
 on centos 6.4.Everything is working well, unless the fact that users
 are not receiving emails.
 Every dependency took alone is working well. Has anyone faced that
 issue? How did he resolve it?
 What can we do to resolve it?
 Thank you in advance.

 You need to cehck the followings:
 - Mail logs (included separated dovecot log)
 - Mail queue

 Find error messages, and write them to us.
 Hi Peter,
 we are not using dovecot, we are using cyrus-imapd instead.
 Here is theoutput of the log after sending an email
 Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/deliver[24730]:
 connect(/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp) failed: Permission denied
 Sep 18 16:28:22 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24719]: USAGE neutronstein user:
 0.001000 sys: 0.002000
 Sep 18 16:28:31 sogo223 cyrus/imap[24623]: login: localhost [127.0.0.1]
 neutronstein plaintext User logged in SESSIONID=cyrus-24623-1379521711-1

Are the access rights of the folders correct? postfix runs most commands
with the postfix user.

Do you use SELinux? check the SELinux access rights or try with disables
SELinux.

regards
Martin

 
 note: we changed the ownet of the file an the rights to 777 but nothing
 changed.
 Thank you
 
 

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RE : Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread alain.abbas
Hello
The activesync licence is not appliable in Europe because the Europe doens t 
reconize brevets on software or protocols. European peoples can use activesync 
protocol without pay microsoft. 


Envoyé depuis mon Samsung Galaxy S 4 d’Orange

 Message d'origine 
De : Jan-Frode Myklebust janfr...@tanso.net 
Date : 19/09/2013  9:19  (GMT+01:00) 
A : users@sogo.nu 
Objet : Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo 
 
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 09:03:26AM +0200, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote:
  it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly.
 
 Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm
 worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to
 ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual
 ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts.
 

Answering my own question..

Some example pricings:

http://www.mailenable.com/pricing.asp

ActiveSync  20 Mailboxes  $199*USD
ActiveSync  50 Mailboxes  $345*USD
ActiveSync 100 Mailboxes  $649*USD
ActiveSync 200 Mailboxes  $998*USD
ActiveSync 300 Mailboxes $1198*USD

= $4-$10 per mailbox / year

http://www.smartertools.com/smartermail/pricing.aspx

25 Mailboxes $199
50 Mailboxes $349
100 Mailboxes $499
200 Mailboxes $799
300 Mailboxes $1,199
Each Additional 100 Mailboxes $400 

= $4-$8 per mailbox / year


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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Ludovic Marcotte

On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote:

Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm
worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to
ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual
ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts.
I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and 
Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from 
Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes.


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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Martin Rabl

Hi,

Am 19.09.13 12:47, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte:

On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote:

Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm
worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to
ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual
ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts.

I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and
Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from
Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes.


Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used 
in a ISP setup? What about the company setup?


Greetings,
   Martin

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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Ludovic Marcotte

On 2013-09-19 6:49 AM, Martin Rabl wrote:
Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used 
in a ISP setup? What about the company setup? 
Microsoft charges a per-mailbox fee for Active Sync support. We'll 
produce the software and distribute it for free, it'll be your 
responsibility to determine the number of licenses you require and 
acquire them from Microsoft.


We would essentially shovel the license issues in your backyard, while 
we focus on actual development :-)


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Re: [SOGo] not receiving mails

2013-09-19 Thread labolinux

Le 19/09/2013 08:37, Relu Parfene a écrit :

On 18.09.2013 17:41, labolinux wrote:Hi,

It seems you have an issue with lmtp daemon. Try these steps:
1. Check if lmtp daemon is running:
telnet 0 24
If it is working, you have to have a prompt similar to this one (i use 
dovecot):


Trying 0.0.0.0...
Connected to 0.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 host.domain.tld Dovecot LMTP ready

If not, then check why lmtp daemon is not working.

2. If lmtp is ok try to change the local mail delivery from unix 
socket to inet like this (main.cf in postfix):


mailbox_transport = lmtp:inet:127.0.0.1:24

then reload postfix

Hope that help.

Relu

Hi Relu,
first of all I thank you very much.
You're right. We were using lmpt via the unix socket.
After changing the mail transport through inet it works.
Thanks again.
Best regards.

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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Davor Vusir
Bravo!

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 18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca:
 
 Hello,
 
 We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for 
 multiple reasons.
 
 First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. 
 Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We 
 also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain 
 Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry 
 phones.
 
 After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we 
 should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo.
 
 Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP 
 Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to 
 believe we could:
 create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
 license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
 distribute it for free
 We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron 
 are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft 
 currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an 
 option.
 
 Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side 
 implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would 
 have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free 
 of use.
 
 Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll 
 definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting 
 then adding Active Sync support.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Steven Swarts



On 19/09/2013 9:09 PM, Davor Vusir wrote:

Bravo!

-- Skickat från mobilusken! --

18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca 
mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca:



Hello,

We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo 
for multiple reasons.


First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active 
Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out 
there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, 
how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the 
new Windows/Blackberry phones.


After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the 
conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo.


Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an 
IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions 
which led us to believe we could:


 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
 3. distribute it for free

We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. 
Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a 
license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL 
implementations - so using these is not an option.


Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a 
server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use 
it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our 
end, everything would be free of use.


Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll 
definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more 
exciting then adding Active Sync support.


Thanks!
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Um... I just want to say you guys ROCK!!!
Now we are getting somewhere :)

*/Regards,/*

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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread MJ Ray
On 09/19/13 09:10, Rémi Letot wrote:
 Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes:
 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
 3. distribute it for free

 We can't use the GPL because of patents
 restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented
 technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not
 license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option.
 
 Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the
 world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there.

I know I'm on the fringe of this, but this looks a bit worrying.
I've three questions:

Is that only true as long as Inverse are careful not to derive anything
from Microsoft-copyrighted works?

Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving
SOGo away from the GPL?

Would Inverse consider devoting similar resources to helping the Caldav
and Carddav adapter developers as being used helping Microsoft?

Thanks,
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200,
Rémi Letot wrote:
 
 Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca
 writes:
 
  1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
  2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
  3. distribute it for free
 
  We can't use the GPL because of patents
  restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented
  technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not
  license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option.
 
 Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the
 world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there.
 
  Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a
  server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use
  it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end,
  everything would be free of use.
 
 Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which
 is great news for European users like me :-)

I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync
service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and
at least ask for legal advice.

The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being
patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and
what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO
interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of
software patents. I'm not following all the things going on in
software patent world anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did
invalidate a patent because it was on software as such. On the other
hand a Dutch court enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo
gallery of some Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to
get the patent invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software
as such, but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on
the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe.


Kind regards,

Jeroen Dekkers
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Jean Raby

On 13-09-19 12:45 PM, MJ Ray wrote:

Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving
SOGo away from the GPL?

We're not moving SOGo away from the GPL.

the active sync stuff will have to be licensed under another license, but 
that's it.
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo

2013-09-19 Thread Rémi Letot
Jeroen Dekkers jer...@dekkers.ch writes:

 At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200,
 Rémi Letot wrote:
 
 Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca
 writes:
 
  1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
  2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
  3. distribute it for free
 
  We can't use the GPL because of patents
  restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented
  technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not
  license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option.
 
 Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the
 world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there.
 
  Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a
  server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use
  it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end,
  everything would be free of use.
 
 Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which
 is great news for European users like me :-)

 I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync
 service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and
 at least ask for legal advice.

 The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being
 patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and
 what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO
 interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of
 software patents. 

Which does not mean that these patents would hold in court. But I agree:
defending oneself could be prohibitively expensive, and hasardeous.

 I'm not following all the things going on in software patent world
 anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did invalidate a patent
 because it was on software as such. On the other hand a Dutch court
 enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo gallery of some
 Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to get the patent
 invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software as such, 

AFAIK, it was not on software «as such», but on the way the user
interracts with the interface (which itself is implemented in software),
which is a whole different thing.

 but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis
 that software patents aren't valid in Europe.

Of course not, but software patents and patents on protocols or
interfaces are completely out of scope in Europe (despite the EPO
granting them). I can't see what in the active sync protocol could be
considered patentable in Europe, there is no interraction with «the
forces of nature» that I'm aware of.

Microsoft could still try to defend it's patents in court, which would
be a definitive blow to any European small business, but I really don't
think they would risk confirmation of the invalidity of their patents
for any small business scale operation. 

Now of course IANAL, this is only IMHO and all :-)

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[SOGo] BTS activities for Thursday, September 19 2013

2013-09-19 Thread SOGo reporter
Title: BTS activities for Thursday, September 19 2013





  
BTS Activities

  Home page: http://www.sogo.nu/bugs
  Project: SOGo
  For the period covering: Thursday, September 19 2013

  
  
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2414
	2013-09-19 15:50:23
	assigned (open)
	Backend Mail
	HTML formatted body is compiled by the client to be entirely on the same line
	
	  
	
1935
	2013-09-19 09:57:40
	closed (fixed)
	OpenChange backend
	Cached mode, change of email priority from Outlook 2010 not reflected in SOGo's web interface
	
	  
	
2217
	2013-09-19 16:15:53
	closed (fixed)
	Web Mail
	html-mails should offer plaintext alternative... for smartphone native mail client