Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Stephen Ingram :
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter  
> wrote:
> > * Christian Rößner :
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
> >> > the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I can tell, automx is running under Centos6.2. All required
> >> dependencies are in the standard repositories. So it shouldn't be too hard
> >> to prepare RPM packages. Last time I had done RPMs was under SuSE 8.4.
> >> That's a while ago; hope that has not changed too much since these days ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Ray will take a look at RPMs. So they are on their way…
> 
> Are these ready yet? I still don't see anything about them on the Website.

We've sucxessfully built RPMs last week. This week is documentation week. We
plan to release within the next 14 days. That will also include RPMs.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Stephen Ingram]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter  
wrote:
> * Christian Rößner :
>> Hi,
>>
>> >
>> > Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
>> > the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, automx is running under Centos6.2. All required
>> dependencies are in the standard repositories. So it shouldn't be too hard
>> to prepare RPM packages. Last time I had done RPMs was under SuSE 8.4.
>> That's a while ago; hope that has not changed too much since these days ;-)
>>
>
> Ray will take a look at RPMs. So they are on their way…

Are these ready yet? I still don't see anything about them on the Website.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Christian Rößner :
> Hi,
> 
> > 
> > Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
> > the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.
> 
> 
> As far as I can tell, automx is running under Centos6.2. All required
> dependencies are in the standard repositories. So it shouldn't be too hard
> to prepare RPM packages. Last time I had done RPMs was under SuSE 8.4.
> That's a while ago; hope that has not changed too much since these days ;-)
> 

Ray will take a look at RPMs. So they are on their way…

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Christian Rößner]

Hi,

> 
> Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
> the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.


As far as I can tell, automx is running under Centos6.2. All required 
dependencies are in the standard repositories. So it shouldn't be too hard to 
prepare RPM packages. Last time I had done RPMs was under SuSE 8.4. That's a 
while ago; hope that has not changed too much since these days ;-)

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

Steve,

* Stephen Ingram :
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Stephen Ingram  wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter
> >  wrote:
> >> SOGo Users,
> >>
> >> I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail 
> >> account
> >> easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and 
> >> password.
> >> Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> >>
> >> automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from 
> >> your
> >> mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
> >> standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
> >> including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
> >> profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
> >>
> >> automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
> >>
> >> More on http://automx.org
> >
> > Can't wait to give this a try once the rpms are available. Setting up
> > Thunderbird autoconfig is reasonably easy, but it's nice to have the
> > more complicated Outlook in such a nice package. Love the extensive
> > backend support too. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw SASL
> > auth in the mix. Very thorough.
> 
> Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
> the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.

yes it is, but not as fast as we ourselves would like to see it move.

I will have time to work on automx documentation starting wednesday. Once that
is done RPMS are next on the TODO list.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Stephen Ingram]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Stephen Ingram  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter
>  wrote:
>> SOGo Users,
>>
>> I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
>> easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
>> Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
>>
>> automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from 
>> your
>> mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
>> standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
>> including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
>> profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
>>
>> automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
>>
>> More on http://automx.org
>
> Can't wait to give this a try once the rpms are available. Setting up
> Thunderbird autoconfig is reasonably easy, but it's nice to have the
> more complicated Outlook in such a nice package. Love the extensive
> backend support too. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw SASL
> auth in the mix. Very thorough.

Is this project moving forward? I still don't see any rpms? I checked
the automx mailing list and no announcement there either.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Stephen Ingram]

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter
 wrote:
> SOGo Users,
>
> I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
> Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
>
> automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from your
> mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
> standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
> including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
> profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
>
> automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
>
> More on http://automx.org

Can't wait to give this a try once the rpms are available. Setting up
Thunderbird autoconfig is reasonably easy, but it's nice to have the
more complicated Outlook in such a nice package. Love the extensive
backend support too. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw SASL
auth in the mix. Very thorough.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Fabián Rodríguez :
> On 2012-03-01 03:08, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> [...]> automx unifies two proprietary standards from Microsoft and
> Mozilla.
> 
> I am curious why you are calling both autoconfiguration ways
> "proprietary". Can you clarify that ?
> 
> I don't see anything proprietary about Thunderbird's autoconfig:
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration

You are correct. I used the term the wrong way. I did not mean proprietary as
wikipedia defines it

"In telecommunications, a proprietary protocol is a communications
protocol owned by a single organization or individual.[1]"
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_protocol

or as most others (probably) understand it.

What I meant to say was "they don't use a common, standardized
mechanism/protocol" to do it, but each do their own thing.

> And I can't find references to Microsoft putting any
> restrictions/licensing on their autoconfiguration.
> 
> This is important, specially in enterprise settings where such details
> blow up in an admin's face *after* prototyping/testing/implementation.

Both standards have been layed open and are well documented.

> Making this particularly clear on the site (automx's) would also help
> clear any confusion.
> 
> Thanks for any further information.

I hope I've clarified it.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

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On 2012-03-01 03:08, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
[...]> automx unifies two proprietary standards from Microsoft and
Mozilla.

I am curious why you are calling both autoconfiguration ways
"proprietary". Can you clarify that ?

I don't see anything proprietary about Thunderbird's autoconfig:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration

And I can't find references to Microsoft putting any
restrictions/licensing on their autoconfiguration.

This is important, specially in enterprise settings where such details
blow up in an admin's face *after* prototyping/testing/implementation.

Making this particularly clear on the site (automx's) would also help
clear any confusion.

Thanks for any further information.

Cheers,

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Jakob Lenfers]

Am 01.03.2012 10:30, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:
> * Jakob Lenfers :

>> So if I already setup mozillas autoconfig
>> (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration) and
>> only use Thunderbird, it would be the same result, wouldn't it?
> Yes, with the two significant differences:
> [...]

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't have a need for those features ATM,
but thanks for making it available. :)

>   You can also script it. Take a look at the section_filter feature. The dark
>   side of provisioning it leads you to ... ;)

:)

Jakob



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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Jakob Lenfers :
> Am 29.02.2012 20:43, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:
> 
> > I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> > easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and 
> > password.
> > Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> 
> Cool! I'm still not 100% sure what the tool does: It would be enough to
> know your name, mail and password to setup an account? And that in a
> couple of different mail clients, right?

Exactly. As simple as that.

> So if I already setup mozillas autoconfig
> (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration) and
> only use Thunderbird, it would be the same result, wouldn't it?

Yes, with the two significant differences:

- automx is ONE TOOL that provides service for clients (TB, KMail, Kontact and
  - rumor - some Android mobiles) following MOZILLAs standard and clients
  (Outlook 2003+, MS Mobiles) following MICROSOFTs way of client account
  profile provisioning.
- automx can serve dynamic profiles for many domains i.e. not only one static
  file, but e.g. lookup user specific settings in a database or LDAP server
  and return a profile especially built for that one user/group.
  You can, for example, have two MDAs (Exchange/SOGo) and tell group A to use
  Exchange and group B to use SOGo.
  You can also script it. Take a look at the section_filter feature. The dark
  side of provisioning it leads you to ... ;)

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Jakob Lenfers]

Am 29.02.2012 20:43, schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:

> I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
> Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.

Cool! I'm still not 100% sure what the tool does: It would be enough to
know your name, mail and password to setup an account? And that in a
couple of different mail clients, right?

So if I already setup mozillas autoconfig
(https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration) and
only use Thunderbird, it would be the same result, wouldn't it?

Thanks!
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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Alessio Fattorini]

Nella citazione in data gio 01 mar 2012 09:49:58 CET, Patrick Ben 
Koetter ha scritto:

Sorry. Text in the future. RPM yet to arrive. Should be there in a week.
If you can't wait use the TAR file. There are only a few dependencies.


I can wait ;-) no problem thank you


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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Alessio Fattorini :
> Il 29/02/2012 20:43, Patrick Ben Koetter ha scritto:
> >SOGo Users,
> >
> >I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> >easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
> >Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> 
> Great tool,
> i don't find redhat rpm but i read "Packaged for Debian, Gentoo,
> Ubuntu and RedHat"

ARGH!

> Oversight?

Sorry. Text in the future. RPM yet to arrive. Should be there in a week.
If you can't wait use the TAR file. There are only a few dependencies.

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Alessio Fattorini]

Il 29/02/2012 20:43, Patrick Ben Koetter ha scritto:

SOGo Users,

I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.


Great tool,
i don't find redhat rpm but i read "Packaged for Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu 
and RedHat"

Oversight?


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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Alessio Cecchi :
> Il 29/02/2012 20:43, Patrick Ben Koetter ha scritto:
> >SOGo Users,
> >
> >I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> >easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
> >Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> >
> >automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from 
> >your
> >mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
> >standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
> >including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
> >profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
> >
> >automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
> >
> >More on http://automx.org
> >
> >p@rick
> >
> 
> Very usefull tool, what is the protocol, behind automx, that make
> transparent the configuration for clients from different vendors?

Glad you like it!

automx unifies two proprietary standards from Microsoft and Mozilla. Both
use http(s) for client and server communication. Mozilla uses a GET request
and transmits a mail address. Microsoft uses a POST request and sends an XML
file which may contain more than a mail address.

Microsoft and Mozilla send their data to different URLs. That makes it easy to
tell them apart and return something they will accept as account profile. In
either case the server (automx) sends an XML response. You can use the
automx-test comnand line tool to see what automx turns back like this:

$ automx-test aut...@state-of-mind.de


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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

* Jason Wohlford :
> 
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> 
> > SOGo Users,
> > 
> > I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> > easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and 
> > password.
> > Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> > 
> > automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from 
> > your
> > mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
> > standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
> > including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
> > profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
> > 
> > automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
> > 
> > More on http://automx.org
> > 
> > p@rick
> 
> Very interesting. I've got Thunderbird working very well for autoconfig.
> I've had a time of it getting Outlook and Mac OS X Mail.app working at all.
> Will review. Thank you.

Any client using Microsofts autodiscover schema will require a trusted https
session. That in turn means you need to get out and get a SSL cert first.
There are cheap ssls (<- hint) out there.

Mail.app and iPhones do not support network based autoconfiguration at the
moment. Cyrus Daboo (as Apple member) created an RFC specifying DNS based
autoconfiguration through SRV records, but neither do Macs currently imlement
that RFC nor would it take that feature as far as Microsoft took it, when they
came up with autodiscover. autodiscover can, for example, specify a TTL for an
account profile. The client will revisit the server then and check for changed
account settings; perfect in my eyes as migration hook.

> Btw, nice site.

Thanks. The design was taken from bootstrap
. Typos are mine. ;)

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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Alessio Cecchi]

Il 29/02/2012 20:43, Patrick Ben Koetter ha scritto:

SOGo Users,

I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.

automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from your
mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
profiles for multiple domains on the fly!

automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.

More on http://automx.org

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Very usefull tool, what is the protocol, behind automx, that make 
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Re: [SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Jason Wohlford]

On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:

> SOGo Users,
> 
> I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
> easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
> Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.
> 
> automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from your
> mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
> standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
> including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
> profiles for multiple domains on the fly!
> 
> automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.
> 
> More on http://automx.org
> 
> p@rick

Very interesting. I've got Thunderbird working very well for autoconfig. I've 
had a time of it getting Outlook and Mac OS X Mail.app working at all. Will 
review. Thank you.

Btw, nice site.

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[SOGo] ANN: automx - automated mail account configuration

[Patrick Ben Koetter]

SOGo Users,

I am pleased to announce automx, a tool that makes setting up a mail account
easy. All your users need to provide is real name, mail address and password.
Their mail client and automx will safely handle the rest.

automx runs on your server and handles mail account profile requests from your
mail clients. It unifies Microsofts and Mozillas mail account provisioning
standards in one powerful Open Source tool. Choose from many backends,
including LDAP and SQL, and let automx create standard and individualized
profiles for multiple domains on the fly!

automx is Open Source software released under GPL3.

More on http://automx.org

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