Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2022-02-13 Thread m...@montik.net
Hi,

I would like to revive this thread a bit and return it to the more
generic search and move / delete user experience.

> Now, I must go to the subfolder, sort by sender and date, scroll down 3-400
> lines to the last "date of no-importance", click the next 3-500 mails and
> then delete them (which only moves them into the waste bin, where I have to
> delete them a second time ...) - and as this clicking takes more time than
> the refresh interval, I can start from the top of the list again ... and
> repeat that for about 10 subfolders ...
> This task would already be easier, if there was within the "search within
> this folder" options a seletion entry "older/newer than ".

I can select one or many emails when looking at an email folder and
then move those emails somewhere. But it seems I really cannot do that
when looking at the search results, is that correct or am I missing
something?

Also there seems to be no way to search based on time.

Those two combined would have been good enough for Paul I believe.

[The other feature that I would like very much is creation of a sieve
filter based on the current search (with results). The filter creation
is totally blind at this moment, there is no feedback or any other way
to check the filter match logic.]

Any guidance about the expected search UX patterns is greatly
appreciated. I can help coding too if needed, unfortunately, ObjC is
not among the languages I have mastered.

Best regards

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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-13 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Hello Francis, and others,

Op 09-12-2021 om 20:26 schreef Francis Lachapelle (flachape...@inverse.ca):

Hi Paul


On Dec 9, 2021, at 14:20, Jürgen Echter  wrote:



you can go to settings -> e-mail -> filters -> add filter and choose which 
rules to apply and where to put that mails.


Exactly. And if you don't see the "file the message in" action, that means that your Sieve server 
doesn't support (or advertise) the "fileinto" action. You can inspect the JavaScript variable 
"sieveCapabilities" from your browser's console when visiting your preferences.


I found that Sieve did not work in the newer SOGo version, so no 
"fileinto".  In my Cyrus config I had a line:

sieve  cmd="timsieved" listen="localhost:sieve" prefork=0 maxchild=100

In my sogo.conf I do not connect to localhost, but to the real hostname. 
 What I did is remove "localhost:" and now it works.


Another option would be is to connect Sieve to localhost in sogo.conf.

Thanks for the help!

With regards,
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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-10 Thread "M. Koch - MiKo-EDV"

Salut Francis,

that's what I forgot to mention: I'm running iRedMail (1.4) with SoGo (5.3.0) 
on top.
There I didn't notice any Cyrus package, but dovecot is active.

But as I read your proposal for realisation of my thought-of meager wish, it 
sounds mighty complex ...
So it looks as if I should reactivate an old Outlook license to get my old 
rule-set based task running again.

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Am Freitag, Dezember 10, 2021 16:27 CET, schrieb "Francis Lachapelle" 
(flachape...@inverse.ca) :
 Hi Michael

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 07:30, M. Koch - MiKo-EDV  wrote:
>
> The described function of "settings, email, filters" does only touch incoming 
> mails.
>
> I'd like to have a possibility to create a filter action for mails that are 
> already sorted into a subfolder.
> For instance, I get every night about 60 notification mails from different 
> customers' systems about backup, status, etc..
> These mails go by filters into defined subfolders per customer and below that 
> even per device - all no problem.
> But every let's say three months I want to clean up and delete all the mails 
> in these subfolders older than 3 months, since these typically "ok" 
> notifications are of no importance any more.
>
> Now, I must go to the subfolder, sort by sender and date, scroll down 3-400 
> lines to the last "date of no-importance", click the next 3-500 mails and 
> then delete them (which only moves them into the waste bin, where I have to 
> delete them a second time ...) - and as this clicking takes more time than 
> the refresh interval, I can start from the top of the list again ... and 
> repeat that for about 10 subfolders ...
> This task would already be easier, if there was within the "search within 
> this folder" options a seletion entry "older/newer than ".
>
> When still working with Outlook, I had created a rule set, containing the 
> definition of such a clean-up rule, and could execute it within any actual 
> subfolder ...
> But only for this, it's not worth the license price.

This feature depends on the mailstore implementation. For example, Cyrus IMAPd 
uses annotations (/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/expire), which gives control to the 
user:

https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/reference/faqs/o-annotations.html

Dovecot seems to only provide a way to autoexpunge mailboxes globally:

https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/namespace/#mailbox-settings

Adding support for Cyrus annotation would be relatively easy. For Dovecot, we 
would need to use annotations (metadata, RFC 5464), to let the user assign a 
messages expiration to a mailbox and then extend sogo-tool to use this 
information to remove expired messages .. Basically doing what Cyrus IMAPd is 
already doing.


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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-10 Thread Francis Lachapelle
Hi Michael

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 07:30, M. Koch - MiKo-EDV  wrote:
> 
> The described function of "settings, email, filters" does only touch incoming 
> mails.
> 
> I'd like to have a possibility to create a filter action for mails that are 
> already sorted into a subfolder.
> For instance, I get every night about 60 notification mails from different 
> customers' systems about backup, status, etc..
> These mails go by filters into defined subfolders per customer and below that 
> even per device - all no problem.
> But every let's say three months I want to clean up and delete all the mails 
> in these subfolders older than 3 months, since these typically "ok" 
> notifications are of no importance any more.
> 
> Now, I must go to the subfolder, sort by sender and date, scroll down 3-400 
> lines to the last "date of no-importance", click the next 3-500 mails and 
> then delete them (which only moves them into the waste bin, where I have to 
> delete them a second time ...) - and as this clicking takes more time than 
> the refresh interval, I can start from the top of the list again ... and 
> repeat that for about 10 subfolders ...
> This task would already be easier, if there was within the "search within 
> this folder" options a seletion entry "older/newer than ".
> 
> When still working with Outlook, I had created a rule set, containing the 
> definition of such a clean-up rule, and could execute it within any actual 
> subfolder ...
> But only for this, it's not worth the license price.

This feature depends on the mailstore implementation. For example, Cyrus IMAPd 
uses annotations (/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/expire), which gives control to the 
user:

  https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/reference/faqs/o-annotations.html

Dovecot seems to only provide a way to autoexpunge mailboxes globally:

  https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/namespace/#mailbox-settings

Adding support for Cyrus annotation would be relatively easy. For Dovecot, we 
would need to use annotations (metadata, RFC 5464), to let the user assign a 
messages expiration to a mailbox and then extend sogo-tool to use this 
information to remove expired messages .. Basically doing what Cyrus IMAPd is 
already doing.


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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-10 Thread "M. Koch - MiKo-EDV"

Hello et salut,
may I join this discussion?

The described function of "settings, email, filters" does only touch incoming 
mails.

I'd like to have a possibility to create a filter action for mails that are 
already sorted into a subfolder.
For instance, I get every night about 60 notification mails from different 
customers' systems about backup, status, etc..
These mails go by filters into defined subfolders per customer and below that 
even per device - all no problem.
But every let's say three months I want to clean up and delete all the mails in 
these subfolders older than 3 months, since these typically "ok" notifications 
are of no importance any more.

Now, I must go to the subfolder, sort by sender and date, scroll down 3-400 
lines to the last "date of no-importance", click the next 3-500 mails and then 
delete them (which only moves them into the waste bin, where I have to delete 
them a second time ...) - and as this clicking takes more time than the refresh 
interval, I can start from the top of the list again ... and repeat that for 
about 10 subfolders ...
This task would already be easier, if there was within the "search within this 
folder" options a seletion entry "older/newer than ".

When still working with Outlook, I had created a rule set, containing the 
definition of such a clean-up rule, and could execute it within any actual 
subfolder ...
But only for this, it's not worth the license price.




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Am Donnerstag, Dezember 09, 2021 20:41 CET, schrieb "Paul van der Vlis" 
(p...@vandervlis.nl) :
 Op 09-12-2021 om 20:20 schreef Jürgen Echter
(j.ech...@echter-kuechen-elektro.de):

> you can go to settings -> e-mail -> filters -> add filter and choose
> which rules to apply and where to put that mails.

I guess it will become more clear with a screenshot:
https://vandervlis.nl/screenshot.png

Yes, I could do what you write on a machine using SOGo 3.2.6. But on
another machine with SOGo 5.0.1 I have less options. The action "File
the message in ..." is missing for example.

How do I get more options in the filter?

I am a sysadmin not a user, this SOGo filter is an example.

With regards,
Paul



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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 09-12-2021 om 20:20 schreef Jürgen Echter 
(j.ech...@echter-kuechen-elektro.de):


you can go to settings -> e-mail -> filters -> add filter and choose 
which rules to apply and where to put that mails.


I guess it will become more clear with a screenshot:
https://vandervlis.nl/screenshot.png

Yes, I could do what you write on a machine using SOGo 3.2.6. But on 
another machine with SOGo 5.0.1 I have less options. The action "File 
the message in ..."  is missing for example.


How do I get more options in the filter?

I am a sysadmin not a user, this SOGo filter is an example.

With regards,
Paul



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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread Francis Lachapelle
Hi Paul

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 14:20, Jürgen Echter  wrote:
> 
> Am Donnerstag, Dezember 09, 2021 18:32 CET, schrieb "Paul van der Vlis" 
> (p...@vandervlis.nl) :
>  
>> 
>> Op 09-12-2021 om 16:21 schreef Christian Mack
>> (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de):
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > On 09.12.21 00:18, Paul van der Vlis (p...@vandervlis.nl) wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I would like to upgrade SOGo from version 3.2.6 to 5.0.1, and I am
>> >> wondering there are less filter options in 5.0.1.
>> >>
>> >> For example I don't see an action "File the message in ...".
>> >>
>> >> What will be wrong?
>> >>
>> >
>> > This function has moved.
>> > You have to select an email by clicking on the person icon in front of
>> > it in the list, then use the three dots menu above the list --> "Move To".
>> >
>> > You can move multiple emails at the same time with this, by selecting
>> > multiple emails at once.
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply!
>> 
>> I want to make a filter what moves mail. For example move all mail with
>> [SOGO] in the subject to a folder called "Sogo". Is that possible in
>> this way? I could move messages, but do not saw an option for making a
>> filter out of it...
> 
> you can go to settings -> e-mail -> filters -> add filter and choose which 
> rules to apply and where to put that mails.

Exactly. And if you don't see the "file the message in" action, that means that 
your Sieve server doesn't support (or advertise) the "fileinto" action. You can 
inspect the JavaScript variable "sieveCapabilities" from your browser's console 
when visiting your preferences.

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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread j.ech...@echter-kuechen-elektro.de

Am Donnerstag, Dezember 09, 2021 18:32 CET, schrieb "Paul van der Vlis" 
(p...@vandervlis.nl) :
 Op 09-12-2021 om 16:21 schreef Christian Mack
(christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de):
> Hello
>
> On 09.12.21 00:18, Paul van der Vlis (p...@vandervlis.nl) wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to upgrade SOGo from version 3.2.6 to 5.0.1, and I am
>> wondering there are less filter options in 5.0.1.
>>
>> For example I don't see an action "File the message in ...".
>>
>> What will be wrong?
>>
>
> This function has moved.
> You have to select an email by clicking on the person icon in front of
> it in the list, then use the three dots menu above the list --> "Move To".
>
> You can move multiple emails at the same time with this, by selecting
> multiple emails at once.

Thanks for your reply!

I want to make a filter what moves mail. For example move all mail with
[SOGO] in the subject to a folder called "Sogo". Is that possible in
this way? I could move messages, but do not saw an option for making a
filter out of it...

With regards,
Paul

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you can go to settings -> e-mail -> filters -> add filter and choose which 
rules to apply and where to put that mails.

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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 09-12-2021 om 16:21 schreef Christian Mack 
(christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de):

Hello

On 09.12.21 00:18, Paul van der Vlis (p...@vandervlis.nl) wrote:

Hello,

I would like to upgrade SOGo from version 3.2.6 to 5.0.1, and I am
wondering there are less filter options in 5.0.1.

For example I don't see an action "File the message in ...".

What will be wrong?



This function has moved.
You have to select an email by clicking on the person icon in front of
it in the list, then use the three dots menu above the list --> "Move To".

You can move multiple emails at the same time with this, by selecting
multiple emails at once.


Thanks for your reply!

I want to make a filter what moves mail. For example move all mail with 
[SOGO] in the subject to a folder called "Sogo". Is that possible in 
this way? I could move messages, but do not saw an option for making a 
filter out of it...


With regards,
Paul

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Re: [SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread Christian Mack
Hello

On 09.12.21 00:18, Paul van der Vlis (p...@vandervlis.nl) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to upgrade SOGo from version 3.2.6 to 5.0.1, and I am
> wondering there are less filter options in 5.0.1.
> 
> For example I don't see an action "File the message in ...".
> 
> What will be wrong?
> 

This function has moved.
You have to select an email by clicking on the person icon in front of
it in the list, then use the three dots menu above the list --> "Move To".

You can move multiple emails at the same time with this, by selecting
multiple emails at once.


Kind regards,
Christian Mack

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[SOGo] Less filter options

2021-12-09 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Hello,

I would like to upgrade SOGo from version 3.2.6 to 5.0.1, and I am 
wondering there are less filter options in 5.0.1.


For example I don't see an action "File the message in ...".

What will be wrong?

(I would like to upgrade to 5.0.1 because that's a version what's 
supported by Debian.)


With regards,
Paul van der Vlis



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