Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 26. jan. 2015 17.25.06 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: I don't quite understand what you're saying, can you unpack that a bit? i have forgot now what the quesstion is and i belive you know what happends if using skip rbl check is 1

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 04:56 PM, John Hardin wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? Highly un-scientific explanation: Probably because history/experience/gut feeling/etc decided, in absence of network tests, that it

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% On 25.01.15 11:13, LuKreme wrote: This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check does not only disable blacklists

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Benny Pedersen wrote: On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check does

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.01.2015 um 17:17 schrieb Benny Pedersen: On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Benny Pedersen wrote: On 26. jan. 2015 17.25.06 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: I don't quite understand what you're saying, can you unpack that a bit? i have forgot now what the quesstion is and i belive you know what happends if using skip rbl check is 1 I

why does SA without autolearn need bayes read-write?

2015-01-26 Thread Reindl Harald
IMHO that is a bug with bayes_auto_learn 0 there is no reason to lock the bayes database and the spamd-service should be happy with ReadOnlyDirectories=/var/lib training and sa-update is done on a shell independent of network aware services Jan 27 02:52:58 testserver spamd[2794]: bayes:

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing train of ham ? :-)

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing train of ham ? :-) WTF - it's bad if network tests are disabled -

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% On 25.01.15 11:13, LuKreme wrote: This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be scored at about 0.5, or lower. score BAYES_50 0 0 2.0

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Wolf Drechsel
Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 12:05 PM, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 12:11 PM, Axb wrote: On 01/26/2015 12:05 PM, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate