Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/3/18 6:08 PM, RW wrote: I think, as the name suggests, that was multiple "bangs" (a bang being the character "!"), I was implying routing like UUCP bang paths. As in host 1 via host 2 via host 3. Check out (source) route addressing in RFC 822 §§ 6.1 (Address Specification) Syntax,

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Bill Cole
On 3 Dec 2018, at 16:26, Grant Taylor wrote: > I know that it's strictly against protocol definition, but I've wondered > about applying SPF and / or DKIM and / or DMARC to apparent email addresses > in the human friendly part of From: headers. DKIM and DMARC *ONLY* operate on headers, *NEVER*

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread RW
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 11:15:44 -0700 Grant Taylor wrote: > I think a LONG time ago, likely before SpamAssassin was a thing, it > was valid to have multiple @ signs in an email address. This was a > method of routing messages through other servers. Think UUCP bang > path. I think, as the name

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread shanew
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Alan Hodgson wrote: On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 13:17 -0600, sha...@shanew.net wrote: Yeah, I see all these same things.  Better to test against From:addr rather than the full From:  Perhaps something like: From:addr =~ /\@[^\s]+\@/ Of course, there might still be legit cases

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/03/2018 01:51 PM, Alan Hodgson wrote: The problem though for phishes is that some user agents (ie. Outlook) only display the quoted user-friendly part of the address, not the rest of the From: header. So phishers specifically put a fake @domainbeingphished.com in quotes so your users

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 13:17 -0600, sha...@shanew.net wrote: > Yeah, I see all these same things. Better to test against From:addr > rather than the full From: Perhaps something like: > > From:addr =~ /\@[^\s]+\@/ > > Of course, there might still be legit cases of that kind of usage. > The

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/03/2018 12:17 PM, sha...@shanew.net wrote: Of course, there might still be legit cases of that kind of usage. I would think that the legit cases are far apart and few in between. I would expect a very low false positive rate on rules to match multiple @ signs. -- Grant. . . . unix

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/03/2018 12:38 PM, David B Funk wrote: Are you talking about the SMTP-envelope From address or the 'Header' from addreses? I was originally talking about email addresses in general, be it the SMTP envelope from address or the machine parsable part of the From: header, between the angle

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread David B Funk
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor wrote: On 12/03/2018 11:53 AM, Alan Hodgson wrote: I've been watching these for a while, and unfortunately there are a lot of customer-service type systems that send From: addresses with quoted @domain addresses in them. Many of them do "user@address via" ,

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread shanew
Yeah, I see all these same things. Better to test against From:addr rather than the full From: Perhaps something like: From:addr =~ /\@[^\s]+\@/ Of course, there might still be legit cases of that kind of usage. On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Alan Hodgson wrote: On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 11:15 -0700,

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/03/2018 11:53 AM, Alan Hodgson wrote: I've been watching these for a while, and unfortunately there are a lot of customer-service type systems that send From: addresses with quoted @domain addresses in them. Many of them do "user@address via" , but not all. Sorry, I was talking about

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 11:15 -0700, Grant Taylor wrote: > I don't think the multiple @ signs have worked in a very long time. So > I see no reason not to add score based on multiple @ signs. Or if there > is a legitimate use for it, it should be extremely rare and the false > positive rate

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/03/2018 09:56 AM, Andreas Galatis wrote: How comes that spamassassin doesn’t block mailsenders with 2 @-signs in the address? Fist: I don't think that SpamAssassin should block anything on any single (normal) test. IMHO it should increment the spam score and something should decide

Re: SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Andreas Galatis wrote: since several weeks I keep getting mails with sender-addresses like "Harald Wieruch - Top Ten GmbH h.wieruch@top10ten.comxandra.hennem...@metco-gmbh.de" The first part "Harald Wieruch - Top Ten GmbH h.wier...@top10ten.com" stays the same, everything

SpamSender with 2 @-signs in the address

2018-12-03 Thread Andreas Galatis
Hi list, since several weeks I keep getting mails with sender-addresses like "Harald Wieruch - Top Ten GmbH h.wieruch@top10ten.comxandra.hennem...@metco-gmbh.de" The first part "Harald Wieruch - Top Ten GmbH h.wier...@top10ten.com" stays the same, everything behind this address changes.

[SA 3.4.2] sa-update doesn't see custom channel

2018-12-03 Thread Marcin Mirosław
Hi! I have problem with sa-update and my own channel. sa-update queries for A record of strange domain: # /usr/bin/sa-update --channel sa.mejor.pl --no-gpg -vv DNS TXT query: 2.4.3.sa.mejor.pl -> 3209 Update available for channel sa.mejor.pl: -1 -> 3209 DNS A query update.sa.mejor.pl/sa-updates