Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-20 Thread Richard Troy
Hi Folks, I post infrequently - and intend to keep it that way - and want to ensure my posts have actual value to the community. First, I'm NOT a member of the d...@spamassassin.apache.org email list and I surely hope someone who is will kindly forward this email to that list. List

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread Eric Broch
That's better than deluded. On 7/20/2020 8:24 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Eric Broch wrote: On 7/20/2020 5:49 PM, jdow wrote: On 20200720 11:53:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: *> Why make the change?* I believe it's the right thing to do and you are going to

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Eric Broch wrote: > > On 7/20/2020 5:49 PM, jdow wrote: >> On 20200720 11:53:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: >>> *> Why make the change?* >>> >>> I believe it's the right thing to do and you are going to s

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread Olivier
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes: >> Re: Turning off and on backwards compatibility > This idea isn't really needed. The issue we are working through is the > changes needed to support > both current releases like 3.4.4 (soon to be 3.4.5), upcoming releases like > 4.0.0 AND some people > still using

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread Eric Broch
On 7/20/2020 5:49 PM, jdow wrote: On 20200720 11:53:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: *> Why make the change?* I believe it's the right thing to do and you are going to see more of the ecosystem changing to.  I will not preempt the news but you are going to see this change pretty broadly.

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread jdow
On 20200720 11:53:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: *> Why make the change?* I believe it's the right thing to do and you are going to see more of the ecosystem changing to.  I will not preempt the news but you are going to see this change pretty broadly. So this is basically your doing. Wha

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-20 Thread RW
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:05:25 +0200 Marc Roos wrote: >> I'm a bit suspicious about some of the speedup figures quoted, and >> whether rspamd was tested against an optimized and similarly >> parameterized SA. It's very easy to make SA look bad. > > I agree. I have even asked on the mailing list

More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Hello, all, with so much volume on the list, I thought it would be helpful to touch on a number of topics in one email. Regards, KAM *> if you are running 3.X not trunk* The rule renaming and scoring and description issues shoule be resolved as soon as the automated system publishes the

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
>> You go shut your piehole Ehhh, who exactly? Having a nice evening with a vodka bottle? ;)

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
You go shut your piehole Woke white guys who know best about racism against blacks and who use a domain name that insults native Americans have spoken!!! Black people and people of color need to go sit down and shut up while woke white guys who know best for them do what is best for

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 20/07/20 19:31, John Hardin wrote: Apologies for not clarifying that detail; I was aware of it. I did hedge by saying "(potentially) subject to renaming". No apologies necessary, it wasn't directed to you :) I'm just trying to raise awareness that, while changing things is possible,

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, Riccardo Alfieri wrote: On 20/07/20 19:01, Martin Gregorie wrote: Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one of my private rules uses URIBL_BLACK as a subrule. I have no other potential conflicts with SA rule name changes and no postprocessing that's dependent

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 20/07/20 19:01, Martin Gregorie wrote: Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one of my private rules uses URIBL_BLACK as a subrule. I have no other potential conflicts with SA rule name changes and no postprocessing that's dependent on SA rule names. Here just to say that

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 09:30 -0700, John Hardin wrote: > It would be helpful if we could be informed whether anyone has post- > SA processing that looks for these rulenames in the SA hit results, > e.g. for making message delivery decisions. > Repeating previously posted info for completeness: one

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, Thom van der Boon wrote: One example is that our IRS ("Belastingdienst") is whitelisted by the following rule: whitelist_from_spf *@belastingdienst.nl That configuration syntax will continue to be supported for at least one year after the release of SA 4.0 (i.e. it

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Additionally, the rule USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO has been renamed to USER_IN_WELCOMELIST_TO to assist those running older versions of SpamAssassin get stock rulesets. If you have custom scoring or any custom rules building on USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO, please

RE: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
> I'm a bit suspicious about some of the speedup figures quoted, and whether rspamd was tested > against an optimized and similarly parameterized SA. It's very easy to make SA look bad. I agree. I have even asked on the mailing list how many test rspamd does and how I can configure it to

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-20 Thread RW
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 15:41:43 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > > I have proved over 60 hours that it is insanely better, but, it would > be remiss of me not to conduct a larger, lengthy test before > committing staff resources to wiping spamassassin from our networks > > > are you saying just

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
ah sorry i wrote that totally wrong... i mean we have "whitelist_from" setting. should i change that to "welcomelist_from" or to "welcome_from", because when changing from "whitelist" to "welcomelist" should "welcomelist_from" be "right" but "welcome_from" sounds better. So my second

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
What is being used for mail that is not welcome, but still needs to be allowed thru? -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed can we use something like that or is there

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
can we use something like that or is there any special edit necessary? sed -i 's/whitelist/welcomelist/g' $CONFIG my setting "whitelist_from" to "welcomelist_from" || "welcome_from"? Thanks Am 19.07.20 um 18:09 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: All: As of today, the configuration option

Re: Screwed-up scoring

2020-07-20 Thread Linkcheck
I read the thread. I didn't comment because it was obvious the rationals would lose and the unnecessary changes would go ahead. From that discussion I took away the thought that I had a long-ish breathing space which would allow me to update my complete mail server - OS, Postfix and all - and

Re: Screwed-up scoring

2020-07-20 Thread Linkcheck
Whether or not it's the ONLY one it should have been NONE. You claimed we would not have to change anything for at least a year - as I understodd it. Certainly you should not have broken existing installations! I am running 3.4.2, dictated by my OS. I am quite happy running that version - at

Re: Screwed-up scoring

2020-07-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Sunday 19 July 2020 at 17:44:27, Linkcheck wrote: Thanks to those responsible for screwing up the scoring of my spamassassin installation. It's been working well for years but now my changes to scoring have been cancelled due to renaming whitelist/blacklist to whatever. I noticed it purely

Re: Screwed-up scoring

2020-07-20 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sun, 2020-07-19 at 20:27 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 7/19/2020 8:23 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > > The only way I can see to prevent the name changes from affecting SA > > users private rules is to duplicate the affected rules > > Yeah, I just posted this idea on the dev list to use a

RE: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-20 Thread Marc Roos
What about mailfromd? I have this. I am really surprised it is not in default repo's. I also looked at rspamd, but I have a bit of a problem with these thousands of lines of config. Also their approach towards stats/graphics is 'old fashioned', who is programming that when you have tools

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread Thom van der Boon
Dear Kevin, I maintain a rule set specificly targeted at the Dutch language: [ https://dutchspamassassinrules.nl/DSR/DSR.cf | https://dutchspamassassinrules.nl/DSR/DSR.cf ] One example is that our IRS ("Belastingdienst") is whitelisted by the following rule: whitelist_from_spf

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Rules referencing WHITELIST or BLACKLIST in process of being Renamed

2020-07-20 Thread @lbutlr
On 19 Jul 2020, at 21:23, Olivier wrote: > Please consider adding an easy way to turn the backward compatibility on > and off. I would suggest to settings, one that warns the definition has changed and one that errors on the old term rather than just a "turn on compatibility" which will mean

Re: Screwed-up scoring

2020-07-20 Thread jdow
On 20200719 15:44:54, Luis E. Muñoz wrote: On 19 Jul 2020, at 10:54, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Great question.  That's really a third party rule.  I would like to see it change eventually but maybe that's another phase.  Thoughts? My thoughts are to delay any further social/political motivated