Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Eric Broch
It's only the closed minded that limit language. On 7/21/2020 9:29 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote: We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like you. On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21, 202

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote: > > We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like > you. > > > On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: >>> For better or worse, we are at

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Eric Broch
We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like you. On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society as a whole is deliberating the me

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/21/20 7:52 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: One data point disproves that. The SA project made the choice months ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom: https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/ I'm okay if a group of peo

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 7/21/2020 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: > I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the > USA". One data point disproves that.  The SA project made the choice months ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom: https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-white

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: > >> For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society >> as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms "white" and >> "black". > > I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Loren Wilton
For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms "white" and "black". I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the USA". It should be noted that historically bkacks were enslave

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread jdow
On 20200721 10:34:13, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote: This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm probably going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say. I don't think your post is offensive.  It is said as a statemen

Re: OT: "...value judgement"

2020-07-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Robert Schetterer wrote: > > Am 21.07.20 um 21:07 schrieb Bill Cole: >> On 21 Jul 2020, at 14:06, Grant Taylor wrote: >>> On 7/21/20 11:56 AM, Bill Cole wrote: All answers: "NO!" In those cases, "black" and "white" all reference actual colors of physic

Re: OT: "...value judgement"

2020-07-21 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 21.07.20 um 21:07 schrieb Bill Cole: On 21 Jul 2020, at 14:06, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/21/20 11:56 AM, Bill Cole wrote: All answers: "NO!" In those cases, "black" and "white" all reference actual colors of physical things, not a metaphorical value judgment. Hum.  Your "value judgement" s

Re: OT: "...value judgement"

2020-07-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 21 Jul 2020, at 14:06, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/21/20 11:56 AM, Bill Cole wrote: All answers: "NO!" In those cases, "black" and "white" all reference actual colors of physical things, not a metaphorical value judgment. Hum. Your "value judgement" statement is interesting. The original me

OT: "...value judgement"

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/21/20 11:56 AM, Bill Cole wrote: All answers: "NO!" In those cases, "black" and "white" all reference actual colors of physical things, not a metaphorical value judgment. Hum. Your "value judgement" statement is interesting. The original meaning of blacklist that I found seems to be exac

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 21 Jul 2020, at 13:34, Grant Taylor wrote: Will we be asked to rename "blacktop", which is a specific subset of asphalt? Or what about renaming the SR-71 Blackbird? Or will White Castle need to rename, when the name was originally meant to reference clean and safe to eat at? Or dare I sa

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote: This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm probably going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say. I don't think your post is offensive. It is said as a statement of facts and does not seem to contain any malicious

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Peter L. Berghold
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 21:42 -0700, Richard Troy wrote: > > clean victory. "YES, we have vanquished the evil, hurtful words > blacklist > and whitelist!" AND, "thank the universe the system still works!" > Both > sides can have their way! > > AND, of course, the blind-to-what-we-don't-have-to-

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-21 Thread Noel Butler
On 21/07/2020 01:05, Marc Roos wrote: >> I'm a bit suspicious about some of the speedup figures quoted, and > whether rspamd was tested > >> against an optimized and similarly parameterized SA. It's very easy to > make SA look bad. > > I agree. I have even asked on the mailing list how many te