Re: WARNING: Microsoft has earned removal from SA default welcomelist

2024-04-13 Thread Noel Butler
On 13/04/2024 19:27, Marc wrote: All nice and well, but a bit decades to late. There should never have been such default whitelist. Companies should take care not be on blacklists, and should maintain some Absolutely, no arguments there! After all spf -all exists already for a long time. So

Re: Defining what the default welcomelist means

2024-04-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2024-04-13 19:42: score USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL -2 score USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL -2 By default those each score -7.5 so a doubly-confirmed message gets the same insane -15 as a legacy listing (def_whitelist_from_rcvd) that doesn't require authentication. No such listings still

Re: Defining what the default welcomelist means

2024-04-13 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-04-12 at 19:26:59 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 16:26:59 -0700) jdow is rumored to have said: > On 20240412 16:14:44, Greg Troxel wrote: >> jdow writes: >> >>> One pesky detail still exists. There is a very broad fuzzy area where >>> my spam is your ham and vice versa. You could probably

Re: Defining what the default welcomelist means

2024-04-13 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-04-12 at 19:01:21 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:01:21 -0400) Greg Troxel is rumored to have said: > Also, I'm not sure you said this, but I would say: > >default whitelist is dkim only No. Existing practice is that we trust both DKIM and SPF, and I think that's fine. There are no

Re: Defining what the default welcomelist means

2024-04-13 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-04-12 at 18:56:15 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:56:15 -0400) Greg Troxel is rumored to have said: > I see it very slightly differently, but mostly agree > > Bill Cole writes: > >> 1. We serve our users: receivers, not senders. Senders claiming FPs >> need the support of a corroborating

Re: Dynamic blacklist ?

2024-04-13 Thread Pierluigi Frullani
Thanks Bill, I will give this a look ! Pierluigi Il giorno ven 12 apr 2024 alle ore 23:00 Bill Cole < sausers-20150...@billmail.scconsult.com> ha scritto: > On 2024-04-12 at 02:14:59 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:14:59 +0200) > Pierluigi Frullani > is rumored to have said: > > > Hello all, > >

RE: WARNING: Microsoft has earned removal from SA default welcomelist

2024-04-13 Thread Marc
All nice and well, but a bit decades to late. There should never have been such default whitelist. Companies should take care not be on blacklists, and should maintain some degree of standard implementation to send out email. After all spf -all exists already for a long time. So why are