Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Quoting LuKreme : On 5-Aug-2009, at 10:53, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any ru

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

* LuKreme : > On 5-Aug-2009, at 11:33, spamassas...@nro.ca wrote: > >If anyone has an example config for sendmail to use the backscatter > >rbl at > >smtp time please send it. I take a beating from backscatterers. > > This is what I do in postfix. Perhaps you can adapt it? > > main.cf: > smtpd_da

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I've read the "sender callouts" page and I don't see any evidence that it mentions the SAV problem. On 07.08.09 15:33, Mike Cardwell wrote: I went to the front page, and then clicked "Sender Callouts" ... The very first line says: "Sendercallouts (Sender Verif

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On 5-Aug-2009, at 11:33, spamassas...@nro.ca wrote: If anyone has an example config for sendmail to use the backscatter rbl at smtp time please send it. I take a beating from backscatterers. This is what I do in postfix. Perhaps you can adapt it? main.cf: smtpd_data_restrictions = reject

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On 5-Aug-2009, at 10:53, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Good Morning Marc, Am 2009-08-06 15:37:46, schrieb Marc Perkel: > This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - > deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone > who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore are the good guys. I also > track SAV calls

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: >> I've read the "sender callouts" page and I don't see any evidence that it >> mentions the SAV problem. On 07.08.09 15:33, Mike Cardwell wrote: > I went to the front page, and then clicked "Sender Callouts" ... The > very first line says: > > "Sendercallouts (Se

Re: [sa] Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I hope those "good" SAV users are also using some good filtering policy (reject machines w/o DNS, machines in blacklists, SPF fails) before they are doing SAV, otherwise they just DoS the victims... (nod) These arguments (on this list :) convinc

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Do you say that backscatterer list contains IPs of servers that do _not_ send backscatter but are doing SAV? Do you have any proofs about that? The proof is on the front page of http://www.backscatterer.org/ in big red letters: "Every IP which backscatters or do

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On 07.08.09 06:55, Marc Perkel wrote: Oh, please, why html only? >> On 06.08.09 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: >>> This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - >>> deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone >>> who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore a

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

> * Matus UHLAR - fantomas : > > On 06.08.09 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - > > > deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone > > > who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore are the good guys. I also

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Marc Perkel wrote: What they should do is return different codes to indicate what got them on the list. SAV is not backscatter. So if it is from <> and there is DATA then it's someone who is sending bad bounce messages to faked sender addresses. But if there is nod DATA then it's SAV. These s

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > >> Do you say that backscatterer list contains IPs of servers that do _not_ >> send backscatter but are doing SAV? Do you have any proofs about that? On 07.08.09 14:37, Mike Cardwell wrote: > The proof is on the front page of http://www.backscatterer.org/ in big

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 06.08.09 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore are the good guys. I also tr

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Do you say that backscatterer list contains IPs of servers that do _not_ send backscatter but are doing SAV? Do you have any proofs about that? The proof is on the front page of http://www.backscatterer.org/ in big red letters: "Every IP which backscatters or doe

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

* Matus UHLAR - fantomas : > On 06.08.09 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: > > This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - > > deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone > > who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore are the good guys. I also > > track

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On 06.08.09 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: > This might be an advanced concept for you but what I meant was - > deliberately send spam. Everyone doing sender verification is someone > who is trying to BLOCK spam, and therefore are the good guys. I also > track SAV calls and I use it as a WHITE lis

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Quoting "McDonald, Dan" : On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 10:34 -0600, LuKreme wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: > Quoting LuKreme : > >> On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: > > If you use the lists as an RBL to reject at SMTP, you will end up > rejecting legitima

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Mike Cardwell wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: Backscatter.org is the worst RBL on the planet. If you use it you will get a lot of false positives. Lets compare backscatterer's recommended usage of their list in your favourite MTA against your own recommendation for usage of your hostkarma RBL i

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 10:34 -0600, LuKreme wrote: > On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: > > > Quoting LuKreme : > > > >> On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: > > > > If you use the lists as an RBL to reject at SMTP, you will end up > > rejecting legitimate email. He

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Marc Perkel wrote: If someone is doing sender address verification then they are filtering spam and those who filter spam are not sending spam. Do you have any stats on that? -- J.D. Falk Return Path Inc http://www.returnpath.net/

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Marc Perkel wrote: Backscatter.org is the worst RBL on the planet. If you use it you will get a lot of false positives. Lets compare backscatterer's recommended usage of their list in your favourite MTA against your own recommendation for usage of your hostkarma RBL in your favourite MTA:

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Mike Cardwell wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: Backscatter.org is the worst RBL on the planet. If you use it you will get a lot of false positives. Lets compare backscatterer's recommended usage of their list in your favourite MTA against your own recommendation for usage of your hostkarma RBL i

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Marc Perkel wrote: Backscatter.org is the worst RBL on the planet. If you use it you will get a lot of false positives. Lets compare backscatterer's recommended usage of their list in your favourite MTA against your own recommendation for usage of your hostkarma RBL in your favourite MTA:

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure not. The way to use that

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

If anyone has an example config for sendmail to use the backscatter rbl at smtp time please send it. I take a beating from backscatterers. I would think you could do this with a macro that checks "mail from" and triggers an rbl check on the ip. Sounds simple but my cf skills are barely above trial

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

* Chris Owen : > We've had machines listed in that list that don't even accept email. Still, these can send out backscatter (send only boxes) -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On Aug 5, 2009, at 11:53 AM, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: I wasn't referring to legitimate bounces. I was referring to legitimate messages (non bounce). If I started using the backscatterer.org RBL's at STMP time, guarantee I will get calls and several email messages asking why a message w

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Quoting LuKreme : On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure not. The way to use that RBL is as an RBL. Don't accept

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:35, d.h...@yournetplus.com wrote: Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure not. The way to use that RBL is as an RBL. Don't accept the backscatter in

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Quoting LuKreme : On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure not. The way to use that RBL is as an RBL. Don't accept the backscatter in the first place. If you use the lists as an RBL to rejec

Re: Backscatter.org used as RBL??

On 3-Aug-2009, at 18:36, Dennis G German wrote: Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? Pretty sure not. The way to use that RBL is as an RBL. Don't accept the backscatter in the first place. -- I got a question. If you guys know so much about wome

Backscatter.org used as RBL??

Is Backscatter.org used by any rules? I looked but did not find any. Dennis G German