Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched then I could use a meta rule to glue all of this together. From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas agreed but there's still one thing

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-06 Thread David Jones
From: RW   >On Sat, 6 May 2017 13:28:30 + >David Jones wrote: > From what I can tell, the >> whitelist_from_dkim only works on DKIM_VALID_AU hits which means the >> DKIM signature domain aligns with the header-from.  Based on my >> analysis of my email, if email has passed through my Postf

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-06 Thread RW
On Sat, 6 May 2017 13:28:30 + David Jones wrote: From what I can tell, the > whitelist_from_dkim only works on DKIM_VALID_AU hits which means the > DKIM signature domain aligns with the header-from. Based on my > analysis of my email, if email has passed through my Postfix > postscreen scrut

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-06 Thread David Jones
From: RW   >On Fri, 5 May 2017 22:49:43 + >David Jones wrote: >> From: RW >>     >> >On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:56:27 + >> >David Jones wrote:  >> >> >> >I don't seen why anyone one would want a form of whitelisting >> >> >where a DKIM pass on a trusted domain would be ignored if there'

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 22:49:43 + David Jones wrote: > From: RW >   > >On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:56:27 + > >David Jones wrote: > > >> >I don't seen why anyone one would want a form of whitelisting > >> >where a DKIM pass on a trusted domain would be ignored if there's > >> >no SPF pass. 

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Sat, 6 May 2017 00:32:22 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 06.05.2017 um 00:15 schrieb RW: > >> This is why I only add envelope-from domains to my > >> whitelist_auth list that is currently 2,595 entries. > > > > > > That's not a good idea. When you don't feel you can just put a > > "header f

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
From: RW   >On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:56:27 + >David Jones wrote: >> >I don't seen why anyone one would want a form of whitelisting where a >> >DKIM pass on a trusted domain would be ignored if there's no SPF >> >pass.  >> >> Correct.  >I don't know why you write  "correct" and then go on

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
>From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas   On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: > I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the > envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched > then I could use a meta rule to glue all of this together. >>>J

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:56:27 + David Jones wrote: > >Alignment of the two from address is needed in DMARC so that SPF can > >match on the same domain that the MUA displays (if it even does). It > >doesn't do anything for DKIM. > > Did you read that returnpath.com link above about DMARC pas

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched then I could use a meta rule to glue all of this together. John Hardin skrev den 2017-05-05 21:45: Or file a bug to get i

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
>From: Benny Pedersen   >John Hardin skrev den 2017-05-05 21:45: >> On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: >> >>> I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the >>> envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched >>> then I could use a meta rule to glue a

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
John Hardin skrev den 2017-05-05 21:45: On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched then I could use a meta rule to glue all of this together. Or file a bug to get i

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
From: RW   >On Fri, 5 May 2017 17:45:37 + >David Jones wrote: >> From: RW >>     >> >On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:51:32 + >> >David Jones wrote:  >> >> >> >I know. I do not want to validate the envelope from with DKIM. I >> >> >just want to know if the mail was DKIM-VALID signed by the DO

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 5 May 2017, David Jones wrote: I think I would have to write a simple SA plugin to compare the envelope-from with the DKIM signature domain to see if they matched then I could use a meta rule to glue all of this together. Or file a bug to get it implemented in the base DKIM plugin. I

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 17:45:37 + David Jones wrote: > From: RW >   > >On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:51:32 + > >David Jones wrote: > > >> >I know. I do not want to validate the envelope from with DKIM. I > >> >just want to know if the mail was DKIM-VALID signed by the DOMAIN > >> >used in the e

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:51:23 +0100 RW wrote: Sorry, that was sent by accident.

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 17:45:37 + David Jones wrote: > From: RW >   > >On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:51:32 + > >David Jones wrote: > > >> >I know. I do not want to validate the envelope from with DKIM. I > >> >just want to know if the mail was DKIM-VALID signed by the DOMAIN > >> >used in the e

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
From: RW   >On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:51:32 + >David Jones wrote: >> >I know. I do not want to validate the envelope from with DKIM. I >> >just want to know if the mail was DKIM-VALID signed by the DOMAIN >> >used in the envelopefrom.  >> >> >So the only thing I want with the envelop from is

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread RW
On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:51:32 + David Jones wrote: > >I know. I do not want to validate the envelope from with DKIM. I > >just want to know if the mail was DKIM-VALID signed by the DOMAIN > >used in the envelopefrom. > > >So the only thing I want with the envelop from is to extract the > >dom

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2017-05-05 16:00, Merijn van den Kroonenberg wrote: > So the only thing I want with the envelop from is to extract the > domain and test if the mail was DKIM signed (and valid) by that > domain. > > This tells me the envelope from is not some random spoofed address, > but actually controlled b

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread David Jones
From: Merijn van den Kroonenberg   >> On 05.05.17 11:37, Merijn van den Kroonenberg wrote: >>>I want to test in SA if the Envelope From domain is DKIM_VALID. >> >> the envelope from can't be DKIM-VALID. DKIM validated message content, >> including some of its headers, not envelope from address.

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Merijn van den Kroonenberg
> On 05.05.17 11:37, Merijn van den Kroonenberg wrote: >>I want to test in SA if the Envelope From domain is DKIM_VALID. > > the envelope from can't be DKIM-VALID. DKIM validated message content, > including some of its headers, not envelope from address. I know. I do not want to validate the enve

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 05.05.17 11:37, Merijn van den Kroonenberg wrote: I want to test in SA if the Envelope From domain is DKIM_VALID. the envelope from can't be DKIM-VALID. DKIM validated message content, including some of its headers, not envelope from address. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; h

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Merijn van den Kroonenberg
ed and valid for a specific domain, namely the domain from the enevelope sender. > >> I do some processing of SA maillogs and they contain the EnvelopeFrom >> address (and not the From address) and I would like to know if they >> are DKIM_VALID. > > envelopefrom is not par

Re: DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
they are DKIM_VALID. envelopefrom is not part of dkim Till now I have been using DKIM_VALID_AU, but this information is no good if HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS is hit (difference between From and EnvelopeFrom). this is not dkim related, dkim pass is no good ?, how can i post to you on

DKIM_VALID EnvelopeFrom

2017-05-05 Thread Merijn van den Kroonenberg
Hi, I want to test in SA if the Envelope From domain is DKIM_VALID. I do some processing of SA maillogs and they contain the EnvelopeFrom address (and not the From address) and I would like to know if they are DKIM_VALID. Till now I have been using DKIM_VALID_AU, but this information is no good