Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Sat, February 21, 2009 19:11, Matt Kettler wrote: Very well, but you're also using a RBL with a known high risk of blocking nonspam email. Benny Pedersen wrote: http://rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=verizon.net your small isp should really have power enough to solve the

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.02.09 13:11, Matt Kettler wrote: It seems clear to me that policies with false positives of up to 50% of their hits are acceptable to you, so the 0.4% false positive rate of the HELO message should be acceptable to you. rfci is acceptable for me on my mail server, while

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I really wander why did you want to send me the mail privately. Do youreally think It does not belong to this list? On 24.02.09 07:50, Matt Kettler wrote: *shrug*.. again, it's very clear you don't want my help. Sorry, no wanting direct mail and not wanting

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Tue, February 24, 2009 13:50, Matt Kettler wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I really wander why did you want to send me the mail privately. Do youreally think It does not belong to this list? *shrug*.. again, it's very clear you don't want my help. please unsubscribe, we dont need a

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Benny Pedersen wrote: On Tue, February 24, 2009 13:50, Matt Kettler wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I really wander why did you want to send me the mail privately. Do youreally think It does not belong to this list? *shrug*.. again, it's very clear you don't want my

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : On Tue, February 24, 2009 13:50, Matt Kettler wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I really wander why did you want to send me the mail privately. Do youreally think It does not belong to this list? *shrug*.. again, it's very clear you don't want my help. please

RE: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Tue, February 24, 2009 16:20, Bowie Bailey wrote: Ummm Did you just ask Matt to unsubscribe?? He's one of the developers. I think most of us would prefer that he stick around... :) he one of the dumpest developpers to ? :) if he really is then make a CC: spam stopper into the next

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, February 25, 2009 00:03, mouss wrote: what do you exactly mean? why did you cc me here ? sorry but i dont get it :/ -- http://localhost/ 100% uptime and 100% mirrored :)

RE: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread RobertH
Ummm Did you just ask Matt to unsubscribe?? He's one of the developers. I think most of us would prefer that he stick around... :) -- Bowie maybe Hardin will lend them each some guns and they can duke it out on the range or something ;-) - rh

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Matt Kettler
Bowie Bailey wrote: Benny Pedersen wrote: On Tue, February 24, 2009 13:50, Matt Kettler wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I really wander why did you want to send me the mail privately. Do youreally think It does not belong to this list? *shrug*.. again, it's

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread Matt Kettler
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: So, please, can we *finally* drop that topic? If anyone new to the list happens to Cc you, just tell him. And everything should be ok. +1. Benny, if you are so violently opposed to the normal format of this list, I, in all seriousness, suggest you consider

RE: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-24 Thread RobertH
SA jello wrestling? :) -- John Hardin Hardin, SA jello wrestling? now that is just sick. [sic] ...just not wanting to imagine a bunch of over caffinated computer geeks rolling in jello... Now, on the other hand, *jdow* and friends in jello might be much more interesting for

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread SM
At 23:16 21-02-2009, Benny Pedersen wrote: why does a smtp server have dynamic hostname alike in the first place ? What is a dynamic hostname? Regards, -sm

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, February 21, 2009 19:11, Matt Kettler wrote: Very well, but you're also using a RBL with a known high risk of blocking nonspam email. http://rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=verizon.net your small isp should really have power enough to solve the above listning very easely,

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, February 22, 2009 09:15, SM wrote: What is a dynamic hostname? you dont know it either ? -- http://localhost/ 100% uptime and 100% mirrored :)

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : On Sat, February 21, 2009 02:38, mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. probably a rule that considers vms173007pub.verizon.net as a dynamic

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : On Sat, February 21, 2009 12:32, mouss wrote: rejecting because HELO does not match violates RFC. case open. I said invalid. a bare IP is invalid in helo, and has been since 822. just use all helo rules that postfix can do pr default is better gives the answer on

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : On Sat, February 21, 2009 19:11, Matt Kettler wrote: Very well, but you're also using a RBL with a known high risk of blocking nonspam email. http://rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=verizon.net your small isp should really have power enough to solve the

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread SM
At 01:20 22-02-2009, Benny Pedersen wrote: you dont know it either ? The term dynamic hostname is used in intermediate system routing. Regards, -sm

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-22 Thread Matt Kettler
Benny Pedersen wrote: On Sat, February 21, 2009 19:11, Matt Kettler wrote: Very well, but you're also using a RBL with a known high risk of blocking nonspam email. http://rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=verizon.net your small isp should really have power enough to solve

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm rejecting mail from addresses I could not complain back to.

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 21.02.09 12:18, mouss wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just because of the same problem - invalid HELO. * 2.8 RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH Received: HELO and IP do not match, but should * 2.1 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.02.09 12:18, mouss wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm rejecting mail from

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Ned Slider
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: If there were two rules checking for exactly the same thing, both scoring 2.5 (we'd wonder if they has different score, right?), their combination would score 5.0, while meta rule matching both of them would get -2.5. Can someone please try to do meta

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Matt Kettler
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm rejecting mail from addresses I could not complain back

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 21.02.09 12:18, mouss wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : [snip] Are - iol.cz - telenet.cz - hotelulipy.cz the same organisation? if not, this is direct to MX junk. ...your presumption that the Received: header is the only one is false. I didn't presume that. I was only looking at that one Received

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, February 21, 2009 02:38, mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. probably a rule that considers vms173007pub.verizon.net as a dynamic name... why does a smtp

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, February 21, 2009 12:32, mouss wrote: rejecting because HELO does not match violates RFC. case open. I said invalid. a bare IP is invalid in helo, and has been since 822. just use all helo rules that postfix can do pr default is better gives the answer on this one if i remember

HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Hello, I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just because of the same problem - invalid HELO. * 2.8 RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH Received: HELO and IP do not match, but should * 2.1 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO Received: from 88.102.6.114

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matt Kettler
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Hello, I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just because of the same problem - invalid HELO. * 2.8 RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH Received: HELO and IP do not match, but should * 2.1 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO Received:

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just because of the same problem - invalid HELO. * 2.8 RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH Received: HELO and IP do not match, but should * 2.1 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO Received:

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread RW
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:11:42 +0100 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote: On 20.02.09 08:56, Matt Kettler wrote: Why is a bogous HELO being generated in the first place? i.e.: why is an address literal used, but not the correct address literal? I guess this happenns for hosts

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matt Kettler
Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. Fix your own domain's over-zealous behaviors first. Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I've received e-mail that received score 4.9 just because of the same problem - invalid HELO. * 2.8 RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH Received: HELO and IP do not match, but should * 2.1 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. probably a rule that considers vms173007pub.verizon.net as a dynamic name... Fix your own domain's over-zealous behaviors first.

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread RW
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:19:30 +0100 mouss mo...@ml.netoyen.net wrote: $ host 88.102.6.114 114.6.102.88.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 114.6.broadband7.iol.cz. Are - iol.cz - telenet.cz - hotelulipy.cz the same organisation? if not, this is direct to MX junk. BTW. which

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matt Kettler
mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. probably a rule that considers vms173007pub.verizon.net as a dynamic name... No, rejecting anything listed

Re: HELO checks give too high score together

2009-02-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 20.02.09 19:26, Matt Kettler wrote: Since you're bouncing any off-list emails because you reject my entire ISP, I'm going to drop out of aiding on this matter. I'm not rejecting your ISP. I'm rejecting mail from addresses I could not complain back to. Fix your own domain's over-zealous