Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
Hi , in you sources.list you have 2 lines #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse Uncomment that lines and try to apt-get update apt-get upgrade

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
If you can, upgrade to Lucid. If you can't - and don't ever plan to upgrade the machine to a later Ubuntu release - then you could uninstall and then install via CPAN, but I would fairly strongly recommend against doing that if you have any intention of upgrading it in the future. In

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Dominic Benson
On 17/09/10 10:42, franc wrote: I doubt if this is possible on a VPS. At least the kernel is not changeable because coming from the host and is old enough (2.6.9). I guess an update to Lucid Lynx (10.04) will be if not unpossible but problematic. So if i use CPAN and keep my Hardy Heron, there

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
In that case, uninstalling Spamassassin from Apt (and then doing an apt-get --autoremove to clear out Perl libs installed through apt/dpkg) and re-installing with CPAN should be fine, and you'll be able to keep it up to date. I use aptitude, is this the same then? Will this uninstall all

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Sergios T.S.(aka linuxman)
στις 17/09/2010 12:55 μμ, O/H Dominic Benson έγραψε: On 17/09/10 10:42, franc wrote: I doubt if this is possible on a VPS. At least the kernel is not changeable because coming from the host and is old enough (2.6.9). I guess an update to Lucid Lynx (10.04) will be if not unpossible but

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Dominic Benson
On 17/09/10 11:21, franc wrote: In that case, uninstalling Spamassassin from Apt (and then doing an apt-get --autoremove to clear out Perl libs installed through apt/dpkg) and re-installing with CPAN should be fine, and you'll be able to keep it up to date. I use aptitude, is this the

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
OK, i updated it with cpan after uninstalling. But i had to change something in amavis-new, according to: http://o-o-s.de/?p=2735 And now my sa-config is in /etc/mail/spamassassin. Before, it was one level higher, which is really not important. -- View this message in context:

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
Hello, i don't know spamassassin not very well, i am using 3.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like Viagra, Chronometer, Zeitmesser and so on, if an email has one of this words, this email should directly put to the Spam-folder. Is this

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giles Coochey
You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA installation, but a simple rule like the one you suggest may easily yield FPs (False Positives, ie: non-spam messages may get into your trashcan). What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your chronometer...

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your chronometer... This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he asked, it were in vain :-) SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and all the available SA plugins. I trained SA since

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA installation Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i don't find RegExp-sections. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Blacklist-for-spam-words-tp29726548p29726801.html Sent from

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Yet Another Ninja
On 2010-09-16 12:29, franc wrote: You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA installation Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i don't find RegExp-sections. see http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Per Jessen
franc wrote: You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA installation Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i don't find RegExp-sections. body FRANCS_RULE /regexp/ /Per Jessen, Zürich

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and all the available SA plugins. I trained SA since months with all those chronometer-zeitmesser-spam and only 5% is now set to spam. I want to get rid of it immediately. Well, you may try putting this into

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your chronometer... This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he asked, it were in vain :-) SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and all the available SA plugins. On 16.09.10

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
You're probably too late, Matus: you've got into his trash folder... ;) From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [mailto:uh...@fantomas.sk] What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your chronometer... --^ This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he asked, it

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Lucio Chiappetti
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like Viagra, Chronometer, Zeitmesser and so on, if an email has one of this words, this email should directly put to the Spam-folder. Are you sure you want to embark in a project like that and will have

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: i don't know spamassassin not very well, i am using 3.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like Viagra, Chronometer, Zeitmesser and so on, if an email has one of this words, this email should directly put to the

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? -- View this message in context:

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? The rule for reliability is update the way you

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
Unfortunately Canonical probably is _not_ going to provide official SA 3.3.x packages for Ubuntu 8.x... This is just what i noticed: there is no Ubuntu package update after the 3.2.4-ubu1 related to: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/spamassassin But how then to update? Can i use a

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 17:41:05 CEST, John Hardin wrote that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. 3.2.4 is several years stale and is not getting any rule updates. Its performance _will_ deteriorate over time as the nature of spam changes. agree, but if the host os still

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 17:47:12 CEST, franc wrote But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? 42, na not this time, tell more on

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 18:08:46 CEST, franc wrote http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/spamassassin But how then to update? Can i use a package for Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) or is this the absolute wrong way? ask a ubuntu maintainer, make a request for this in lunchpad seems to me next step if

Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 03:26 -0700, Franc Walter(?) wrote: SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and all the available SA plugins. I trained SA since months with all those chronometer-zeitmesser-spam and only 5% is now set to spam. I want to get rid of it

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' would be good, too. Oh, and you are training Bayes as the

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
are spamassassin the only thing you like to upgrade ? what os are you running ?, and what package managedment rpm ?, cpan ?, lastly dont mix cpan with rpm yes, spamassassin is the only thing to upgrade at the moment. I am running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) and i installed spamassassin

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
You're probably too late, Matus: you've got into his trash folder... ;) From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [mailto:uh...@fantomas.sk] What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your chronometer... --^ haha, this one is good! :-) But anyway, i didn't put an i to the

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 11:32 -0700, franc wrote: ... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' would be

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 20:37:07 CEST, franc wrote yes, spamassassin is the only thing to upgrade at the moment. I am running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) and i installed spamassassin with aptitude. then i will suggest to try here https://launchpad.net/hardy-backports make a request for upgrade

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like this. Thank you for the hints! -- View this message

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 14:19 -0700, franc wrote: OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you actually meant to say REJECT. That is, not accept by the MX. No, i didn't know it

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 15:10 -0700, franc wrote: I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you actually meant to say REJECT.

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
The next thing i just discovered is: $final_bad_header_destiny = D_PASS; with this rule, each Subject, containing 8-Bit, is sent to the quarantine folder. I didn't know this and now i am discovering many emails in the quarantine which were no spam at all :-) I commented it out: #

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Sergey Tsabolov ( aka linuxman )
Hi , in you sources.list you have 2 lines #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse Uncomment that lines and try to apt-get update apt-get upgrade

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 23:19:34 CEST, franc wrote OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. rejected please, eg dont accept and bouce -- xpoint