Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-24 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:46:42 +0100 rich...@buzzhost.co.uk rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 23:36 +0100, RW wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Incidently the point about backscatter is wrong. The traditional

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-24 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 12:51 +0100, RW wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:46:42 +0100 rich...@buzzhost.co.uk rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 23:36 +0100, RW wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Incidently the

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread linuxmagic
Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some time, focusing on the SMTP transaction layer. This approach gives a more 'Zero Day' style

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.09.09 10:40, linuxmagic wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some time, focusing on the SMTP transaction layer. This

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 23.09.09 10:40, linuxmagic wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some time, focusing on the

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread RW
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some time,

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
RW wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 23:36 +0100, RW wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions. Indeed, it is. A *year* old. MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin. LinuxMagic has been Thanks for

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 15:54 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: RW wrote: Incidently the point about backscatter is wrong. The traditional approach of classifying, and then discarding or filing to a spam folder, produces zero backscatter from spam. Backscatter is actually caused by rejecting

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Jason Haar
On 09/24/2009 10:36 AM, RW wrote: None of that really distinguishes it from SpamAssassin, people have been using SA that way for many years. This is turning into a I don't understand why everyone doesn't do everything themselves thread. Face it: by being on this list we have all declared

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron Wolfe
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Slightly old thread, but we should clear any misconceptions.  MagicSpam is NOT anything like SpamAssassin.  LinuxMagic has been developing Anti-Spam solutions for the ISP and Telco markets for quite some time, focusing on

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:00:20 +0200 Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 15:54 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: RW wrote: Incidently the point about backscatter is wrong. The traditional approach of classifying, and then discarding or filing to a spam

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:07:09 +1200 Jason Haar jason.h...@trimble.co.nz wrote: On 09/24/2009 10:36 AM, RW wrote: None of that really distinguishes it from SpamAssassin, people have been using SA that way for many years. This is turning into a I don't understand why everyone doesn't do

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 23:36 +0100, RW wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Incidently the point about backscatter is wrong. The traditional approach of classifying, and then discarding or filing to a spam folder, produces zero backscatter

Re: MagicSpam

2009-09-23 Thread rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 19:45 -0400, Aaron Wolfe wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, linuxmagic sa...@linuxmagic.com wrote: I really like this quote from their sales web site: Now you can have MagicSpam spam protection for your Postfix (Linux) Mail Servers. Complete with one click

RE: MagicSpam

2008-09-16 Thread Koopmann, Jan-Peter
Well, since many guys are recommending what they use (IronPort, Barracuda) I thought I might bring BarricadeMX from Fort Systems into the game. Have a look at them. It is _very_ efficient and can be configured to use SpamAssassin as well. Comes with a very easy install for CentOS 5.2. Kind

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-14 Thread Michael Scheidell
At 09:44 12-09-2008, Jesse Stroik wrote: There is SpamAssassin the project and SpamAssassin the software. The project, under the aegis of the Apache Software Foundation, provides a framework to support open source software development to deliver an enterprise-grade, freely available

RE: MagicSpam

2008-09-14 Thread Michael Hutchinson
Hello, I really don't see how Spamassassin is not up to par, considering many high end Net App's use Spamassassin and promote corporate level products that include it. Maybe it needs to be configured correctly? In fact, I don't think I've seen any real rival to Spamassassin - except, maybe,

RE: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Martin.Hepworth
: Re: MagicSpam Rob, Spamassassin is more difficult to configure because commercial products don't have the luxury of requiring more sysadmin configuration. They have to be easy or no one would buy them. The disadvantage of them being easier is that they have less flexibility, less

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread ram
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:25 -0700, fchan wrote: Hi, Sorry I don't have experience with this product. I do have limited experience with Barracuda Networks appliance and I think is a great product for an e-mail filter which I had experienced with my friend to set up on their network email

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Schetterer
ram schrieb: On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:25 -0700, fchan wrote: Hi, Sorry I don't have experience with this product. I do have limited experience with Barracuda Networks appliance and I think is a great product for an e-mail filter which I had experienced with my friend to set up on their

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Karl Pearson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, fchan wrote: Hi, Sorry I don't have experience with this product. I do have limited experience with Barracuda Networks appliance and I think is a great product for an e-mail filter which I had experienced with my friend to set up on their network email server. It is easy

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Duane Hill
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Karl Pearson wrote: On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, fchan wrote: Hi, Sorry I don't have experience with this product. I do have limited experience with Barracuda Networks appliance and I think is a great product for an e-mail filter which I had experienced with my friend to set up

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Jesse Stroik
Karl, Ease of setup and use are not the primary reason for purchasing any product, IMO. Yes, but you aren't the common user. Many commercial products *must* have oversimplified setups if they want the largest possible customer base. Consider the difference between the primary goals of

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Karl Pearson
Excellent points. I'm glad I'm not a 'common user'... KLP On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jesse Stroik wrote: Karl, Ease of setup and use are not the primary reason for purchasing any product, IMO. Yes, but you aren't the common user. Many commercial products *must* have oversimplified setups if

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread mouss
Jesse Stroik wrote: Karl, Ease of setup and use are not the primary reason for purchasing any product, IMO. Yes, but you aren't the common user. Many commercial products *must* have oversimplified setups if they want the largest possible customer base. It's more than a common user

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread SM
At 09:44 12-09-2008, Jesse Stroik wrote: setups if they want the largest possible customer base. Consider the difference between the primary goals of spamassassin and arbitrary commercial anti-spam solution: Spamassassin: To facilitate a community effort with the primary goal of accurate

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Jesse Stroik
Mouss, mouss wrote: It's more than a common user question. while I can build an *BSD/Debian/Centos box to do what I want, I did buy COTS firewalls, backup servers, ... etc. You're not talking about ease of setup, you're talking about quality and reliability of product. Spamassassin

RE: MagicSpam

2008-09-12 Thread Brent Kennedy
I have heard that the sonicwall email security appliance is pretty good. It gets expensive per user, but they have desktop controls in outlook. The other one is the service offered by mcaffee enterprise... I don't remember the name, but its essentially a service they host and your mail server

RE: MagicSpam

2008-09-11 Thread Martin.Hepworth
Rob Can't say i have, but SA does need someone with a little expertise and a clue (tm) to get it going well. After that it takes very little extra work apart from upgrading every so often and running sa-update every week or so. -- martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-11 Thread Jesse Stroik
Rob, Spamassassin is more difficult to configure because commercial products don't have the luxury of requiring more sysadmin configuration. They have to be easy or no one would buy them. The disadvantage of them being easier is that they have less flexibility, less information and less

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-11 Thread Aaron Wolfe
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have any experience with this product? It appears *noone* has any experience with it... Google finds only 2 links and they are on the company's own homepage. My company wants to replace SpamAssassin with this product, due

Re: MagicSpam

2008-09-11 Thread fchan
Hi, Sorry I don't have experience with this product. I do have limited experience with Barracuda Networks appliance and I think is a great product for an e-mail filter which I had experienced with my friend to set up on their network email server. It is easy to set up, configure and maintain