RE: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-07 Thread Chris Santerre
I'm with Theo on this one. The obfuscation is a red herring. And its working for them. Don't even bother to look at. I honestly haven't put much effort into these spams yet. Been too buys with $dayjob. I'll start looking into these. But I won't waste my time directly attacking their OBFU. Its

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-07 Thread Justin Mason
Chris Santerre writes: I'm with Theo on this one. The obfuscation is a red herring. And its working for them. Don't even bother to look at. I honestly haven't put much effort into these spams yet. Been too buys with $dayjob. I'll start looking into these. But I won't waste my time directly

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-07 Thread Richard Bollinger
My 2p. YMMV and of course the spammers will continue to make minor changes to avoid it and some ham will no doubt be hit as well: /etc/mail/spamassassin/important_remove.cf body __IR_IMPO /\bimpor*tant/i body __IR_REMO /\bremove/i body __IR_LINK /\blink/i body __IR_REPL

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Ramprasad
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 18:46 -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:31 AM +0100 Chr. v. Stuckrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what really will be needed, would be a combination of Rules for 'illegal hostname in url' and something like the URIBLS to catch

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Kenneth Porter wrote: The latest obfuscation cleverly uses a dash, a legal domain character, so one can no longer match based on non-domain characters. I think the most robust non-DNS test would be on the length of the TLD in the obfuscated domain. What's the longest

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Richard Frovarp
John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Kenneth Porter wrote: The latest obfuscation cleverly uses a dash, a legal domain character, so one can no longer match based on non-domain characters. I think the most robust non-DNS test would be on the length of the TLD in the obfuscated

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Hampton
John D. Hardin wrote: What's the longest valid TLD these days? info at 4? Valid gTLDs are .aero .biz .cat .com .coop .edu .gov .info .int .jobs .mil .mobi .museum .name .net .org .pro .travel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains matt

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Ken A
John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Kenneth Porter wrote: The latest obfuscation cleverly uses a dash, a legal domain character, so one can no longer match based on non-domain characters. I think the most robust non-DNS test would be on the length of the TLD in the obfuscated domain.

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:01:50PM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: It doesn't matter what obfuscation character they use if you're looking at the length of the part after the last period. I can't see them obfuscating with periods... Really? I could see http://www.example.c.om/Remove the

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Theo Van Dinter wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:01:50PM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: It doesn't matter what obfuscation character they use if you're looking at the length of the part after the last period. I can't see them obfuscating with periods... Really? I

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Ken A
John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Ken A wrote: John D. Hardin wrote: I think the most robust non-DNS test would be on the length of the TLD in the obfuscated domain. There are too many possible obfuscations using valid characters. It doesn't matter what obfuscation character they

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Ken A wrote: But what's the point if they simply have to move the obfuscation to the domain part, rather than the tld? Is it worth the cost of the additional test? ie: http://www.swell_your_dongR.com ...which brings us back to verification via a DNS lookup. -- John

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-06 Thread Ramprasad
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 22:25 -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Ken A wrote: But what's the point if they simply have to move the obfuscation to the domain part, rather than the tld? Is it worth the cost of the additional test? ie: http://www.swell_your_dongR.com

RE: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-05 Thread Bowie Bailey
Nigel Frankcom wrote: On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:15:39 +, Nigel Frankcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: body Test_01 /remove \\*|\%|\!\/i score Test_01 4.0 describe Test_01 Test remove asterisk for URL spams and oops #2 the | doesn't work as expected :-/ This does tho...

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-05 Thread Chr. v. Stuckrad
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007, Bowie Bailey wrote: body Test_01 /remove \\*\/i | /remove \\%\/i | /remove \\!\/i score Test_01 4.0 describe Test_01 Test remove asterisk for URL spams How about this? (untested) body Test_01 /remove \[*%!]\/i Since Sunday after two new obfuscation chars

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-05 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:03:08 -0500 , Bowie Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nigel Frankcom wrote: On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:15:39 +, Nigel Frankcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: body Test_01 /remove \\*|\%|\!\/i score Test_01 4.0 describe Test_01 Test remove asterisk for URL spams

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-03 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:15:39 +, Nigel Frankcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:13:08 +, Nigel Frankcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:40:32 -0500, Theo Van Dinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 06:33:40PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: If

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-03 Thread jdow
From: Theo Van Dinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I'm tired of arguing. I hear you, Theo, loud and clear. The rule is assinine since to prevent misfires it must be too finely focused to work after minor changes. {^_-}

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-02 Thread Kenneth Porter
Here's the current rule: body TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU m!https?://[a-z0-9-]+\.[a-z0-9-]*[^a-z0-9.:/\s'[EMAIL PROTECTED])-]+[a-z0-9.-]*[a-z]{3}(?:\s|$)!i If I read this right, it looks for an illegal domain character in the domain component after the first dot. The new pattern puts a % after the

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-02 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 06:33:40PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: If I read this right, it looks for an illegal domain character in the domain component after the first dot. The new pattern puts a % after the second dot. fwiw, I put in a new test version which will catch the latest

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-02 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:40:32 -0500, Theo Van Dinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 06:33:40PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: If I read this right, it looks for an illegal domain character in the domain component after the first dot. The new pattern puts a % after the second

Re: TVD_SILLY_URI_OBFU

2007-02-02 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:13:08 +, Nigel Frankcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:40:32 -0500, Theo Van Dinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 06:33:40PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: If I read this right, it looks for an illegal domain character in the domain