Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-24 Thread Alexandre Boyer
Yep, you are damn right. I work in a company where I maintain a list for canadian banks and more. It's a pain, but it's effective. Should a few responsible of us contribute, it would greatly help. Alex, from osmose. Bow before me, for I am root. On 12-08-24 02:03 PM, Matt Garretson wrote: > In

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-24 Thread Matt Garretson
In my experience, banks and financial institutions tend to be among the worst offenders against sane bulk mailing practices. SPF or DKIM will be broken or inconsistently applied, and sender/relay domains seem to vary with the weather. I think it will be tough to nail down all the valid domains a

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Alexandre Boyer
That's my opinion too. Therefor the community will have to contribute to the list of which domain to add or not. Alex, from osmose. Bow before me, for I am root. On 12-08-23 07:20 PM, Jason Haar wrote: > Great idea - but don't under-estimate the amount of work. Someone > thought there'd be "onl

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Jason Haar
Great idea - but don't under-estimate the amount of work. Someone thought there'd be "only" 20-30 domains to be covered - but I'd say that's actually 20-30 domains PER COUNTRY. Here in New Zealand we get a lot of phishing attacks using New Zealand banks - just like you get spam referring to your o

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 18:18, Marc Perkel wrote: Let's take wellsfargo.com (Wells Fargo Bank) as an example. If the FCrDNS of the connecting server is *.wellsfargo.com it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received lines and not forged it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received headers and it is forg

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Marc Perkel
Let's take wellsfargo.com (Wells Fargo Bank) as an example. If the FCrDNS of the connecting server is *.wellsfargo.com it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received lines and not forged it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received headers and it is forged it is spam. If wellsfargo.com is in

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Mark Martinec
> I guess what we are looking for is a plugin that can take a list of > commonly abused domains known to have valid SPF records or valid DKIM > signatures, and to be able to apply a (stronger) score to those messages > that fail the SPF and/or DKIM test. Several common domains that do provide a

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I think the idea has merit. Can you open a bug in bugzilla, please? My goals are to get some more polish on masscheck and put out a 3.4.0 rc1 and deal with the 3.4.X infrastructure changes. After that I'll offer to work with you on this if no one steps up by then. regards, KAM

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 12:08, RW wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:33:56 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL)&& __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX) describeLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX Fedex SPF Fail and i

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 04:31, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFA

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Well i can help with a plugin to automate things but i can only automate something once it is done a few times. Have you written the rules you think will help for say two of the domain's? Have you collected example ham and spam? You have a good idea but without specifics, i don't know the patter

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread RW
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:33:56 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: > # Fedex > header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr > =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta > LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL) && > __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX) describe LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX > Fedex SPF Fail > > and if I w

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/22/2012 8:31 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEXReturn-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i metaLOCAL_

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEXReturn-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i metaLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL) &&

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i metaLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 00:07, RW wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:40:23 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to bl

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
RW writes: > My bank outsources it's email to a email marketing company. I think > this sort of thing is quite common. The received header has nothing to > do with the the bank. It passes spf, but the domain is not one it > uses for anything else. I think the point is that if we know that bank

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread RW
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:40:23 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: > On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: > > I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. > > This would involve making a list of domains similar to the > > successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that > >

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Ned Slider
On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that spoofs major institutions such as banks, credit cards, ebay, and other

Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Marc Perkel
I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that spoofs major institutions such as banks, credit cards, ebay, and other organizations that want to try to g