Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Lentz
> Ben Lentz wrote: >> >> Thanks, I'll definitely have to give that KAM ruleset a spin >> on our >> system. Any chance you could tell me where that TVD tag is >> coming from? >> Is that another SARE rule? > > That's from sa-update. (TVD = Theo Van Dinter) > > If you are worried about sa-update brea

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2

2006-06-07 Thread Stuart Johnston
Ben Lentz wrote: Thanks, I'll definitely have to give that KAM ruleset a spin on our system. Any chance you could tell me where that TVD tag is coming from? Is that another SARE rule? That's from sa-update. (TVD = Theo Van Dinter) If you are worried about sa-update breaking your system, yo

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Lentz
- Original Message - *From:* David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* 06/07/2006 04:56:37 PM *To:* users@spamassassin.apache.org *Subject:* Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Lentz wrote: Greetings list, I've bee

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2

2006-06-07 Thread David Goldsmith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Lentz wrote: > Greetings list, > I've been reading a pretty active and recent thread from one of the > sa-users mailing list archives that talks about a high rate of these > stock spams that are getting through. I, too, am currently suffering > fro

Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump part 2

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Lentz
Greetings list, I've been reading a pretty active and recent thread from one of the sa-users mailing list archives that talks about a high rate of these stock spams that are getting through. I, too, am currently suffering from this problem and am wondering if anyone has any recommendations. I

Re: SA version in Debian [was: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump]

2006-06-06 Thread Gary V
You're absolutely right of course - but those of us relying on Debian stable have only got 3.0.3-2sarge1 to go on. Is it safe to pin spamassassin to the version in testing (currently 3.1.1-1) when everything else i use (sendmail/mimedefang/clamav) is out of stable - or should i pin those 'u

Re: SA version in Debian [was: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump]

2006-06-06 Thread Stewart
On 03/06/2006, at 8:13 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote: For most software, I'd strongly agree with you. But anti-spam software is like anti-virus software. The battle evolves rapidly, and you need to evolve with it if you're going to be effective in fighting it. With SA 3.1.2 just released, 3.

RE: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-05 Thread Bowie Bailey
DAve wrote: > Kenneth Porter wrote: > > With SA 3.1.2 just released, 3.0.4 is archaic. It's like fighting > > the Gulf War with WWII weapons. (And anyone using SA 2.xx is using > > stuff from the 19th century.) > > I would, without a moments hesitation, trade a M-16 for a M1 Garrand > or an M-14.

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-04 Thread DAve
Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:41 PM -0400 DAve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently 3.0.4 on the toasters, 3.0.2 on the MailScanner boxes. These may or may not get updates this month. I've never been fond of "update" as a solution to a problem unless I know the change in

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-02 Thread JamesDR
David Goldsmith wrote: We are running SA 3.1.0. Reading this thread today, I just found the SARE_STOCKS ruleset. I updated the rules_du_jour script and pulled down the ruleset. Have received some messages already that are being caught. Some others are making it through with scores of 6.7 -

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-02 Thread David Goldsmith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:41 PM -0400 DAve > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Currently 3.0.4 on the toasters, 3.0.2 on the MailScanner boxes. These >> may or may not get updates this month. I've never been fond of "update"

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-02 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:41 PM -0400 DAve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently 3.0.4 on the toasters, 3.0.2 on the MailScanner boxes. These may or may not get updates this month. I've never been fond of "update" as a solution to a problem unless I know the change in version will directly

RE: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-02 Thread Bret Miller
> Bayes, arrgg!! More than once I've been given examples of bayes being > the solution I need. I really really really want bayes to > work. But each > time I set it up, the db gets huge, scan times go through the > roof, and > I end up disappointed. The one time it worked for me I ended > up traini

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Loren Wilton
> time to try them again. SpamCop, I won't go there, we have issues with > the people at SpamCop. I neither use them nor trust them. You REALLY need to try URIBL, and probably uriblack, and a few more of the URI based lists. These get feeds from SpamCop and the like. But they work. Lore

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Loren Wilton
> > Sure is a stock spam rule set. > > > > http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules/70_sare_stocks.cf > > > > Had it running 10 minutes after it was announced. My problem is worse > than that. Possibly I could create a meta rule in my local.cf that says > a sare_stock hit plus any other rule, add 5 point

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Martinec
On Thursday June 1 2006 20:53, DAve wrote: > Bayes, arrgg!! More than once I've been given examples of bayes being > the solution I need. I really really really want bayes to work. But each > time I set it up, the db gets huge, scan times go through the roof, and > I end up disappointed. > I curre

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 02:53:56PM -0400, DAve wrote: > Theo, I appreciate the results, that means more to me than "upgrade". > Results speak louder than anything else. Could you tell me the scores > for each test? If you are as busy as I am, I understand if you can not Not off hand, but they'r

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread DAve
Theo Van Dinter wrote: On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:41:36PM -0400, DAve wrote: Currently 3.0.4 on the toasters, 3.0.2 on the MailScanner boxes. These [...] http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam1.txt http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam2.txt http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam3.txt http://pixelhammer.com/spa

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Nigel Frankcom
Bayes is a stalwart here, that and the more recent versions of SA. Best I can suggest is upgrade to 3.1.1 and run in some rules, I'm happy to let you know which ones we use. That being said, bayes is the only realistic way of training in spam - adding it makes life a lot easier. HTH Kind regards

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:41:36PM -0400, DAve wrote: > Currently 3.0.4 on the toasters, 3.0.2 on the MailScanner boxes. These [...] > http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam1.txt > http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam2.txt > http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam3.txt > http://pixelhammer.com/spam/spam4.txt > htt

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Dhawal Doshy
DAve wrote: Nigel Frankcom wrote: This may be a daft question, if so, apologies in advance; but, do you train these spam into sa? Nope, been down the Bayes road a few times and the load on the server never justified the spam it caught. When using bayes we always end up babysitting it too muc

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread DAve
Nigel Frankcom wrote: This may be a daft question, if so, apologies in advance; but, do you train these spam into sa? Nope, been down the Bayes road a few times and the load on the server never justified the spam it caught. When using bayes we always end up babysitting it too much. This could

Re: Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Nigel Frankcom
This may be a daft question, if so, apologies in advance; but, do you train these spam into sa? We receive a large number of these daily and, to date, very, very few get through. What version of SA are you running? KR Nigel On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:48:50 -0400, DAve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread DAve
Doc Schneider wrote: DAve wrote: Howdy, My users are just about tired of the stock spams, we are getting many now that are barely hitting any stock rules at all. The funny thing is they are pretty much a legit email. No obfuscation, no funky headers, no URL. I am nearly ready to just stomp

Re: Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread Doc Schneider
DAve wrote: Howdy, My users are just about tired of the stock spams, we are getting many now that are barely hitting any stock rules at all. The funny thing is they are pretty much a legit email. No obfuscation, no funky headers, no URL. I am nearly ready to just stomp any and all stock mes

Stock Spams; aka Pump and Dump

2006-06-01 Thread DAve
Howdy, My users are just about tired of the stock spams, we are getting many now that are barely hitting any stock rules at all. The funny thing is they are pretty much a legit email. No obfuscation, no funky headers, no URL. I am nearly ready to just stomp any and all stock messages and for