Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 7/26/20 6:06 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote: On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote: Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57: because it shits trolls like you off https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8I

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-26 Thread Joe Acquisto-j4
>>> > On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > >> On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote: >> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57: >>> because it shits trolls like you off >>> >>> > https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8I > kQZsir2aUw-H919hk >> >>

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote: Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57: because it shits trolls like you off https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk dunno what you referenced benny

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57: > >> because it shits trolls like you off > > https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk dunno what you referenced benny I only click on links that are from

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Arrg do we have to invoke the "Toilet Rule"* ? Would everyone calm down if Kevin would promise to never make another change to bow to the gods of Political Correctness? Kevin, would you be humble enough to make this promise and admit you stepped in a pile of caw-caw? I'm sure the real spammers

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57: because it shits trolls like you off https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/07/2020 22:01, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 03:24: > >> The fact the OP never included you means they knew you were being >> sarcastic, kevin cant see that because he is in total defensive mode, >> he thought people would suck up his dictatorship and roll over

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 03:24: The fact the OP never included you means they knew you were being sarcastic, kevin cant see that because he is in total defensive mode, he thought people would suck up his dictatorship and roll over and move on, but he was so so so wrong. is PMC members

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Jeroen de Neef
I think that one of the reasons why more and more people dogpile on the conversation is because a lot of people have already dogpiled on it. I've been in this mailing list since 2015 and this has been the loudest thread I've noticed since then. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:49 AM Marc Roos wrote: >

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-24 Thread Marc Roos
>> I do wish that the handful of loud, non-contributors who have so >> much to say about someone else’s project would shut up and fork it, TBH. Is that not a lot like, this is my toilet it is only for white people, please build your own somewhere else, you are free to do so?

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/07/2020 04:29, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? > > Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming > people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about > forking was serious > > Ted >

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? > > Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming > people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about > forking was

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about forking was serious Ted On 7/23/2020 7:06 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Note: If you

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:01 +, Riccardo Alfieri wrote: > I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules > and use them. It doesn't provide the rules, meaning that you most > likely > need to have an installation of at least sa-update on the same > machine > that runs

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Riccardo Alfieri skrev den 2020-07-23 17:01: On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote: so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other I think that rspamd's approach is correct. i am not a jura

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote: so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules and use them. It doesn't provide the

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-23 16:06: Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code. so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code. For SA, You would need your own update system. Rules are also open source so you can use them but would have to rename many especially those with initials. And remove / gain permission for thhe rules that are 3rd party used

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You could even fork the SpamAssassin code if you like, you know. In > fact, let's do that. We will make a new fork and call it the > "SpamAssasin-N-W" short for SpamAssassin Non Wussy, put it up on > Sorceforge for download, and just

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Has it occurred to ANYONE arguing over this that the source code of SpamAssassin is Open Source so if you do not like the politically correct change that was made to appease the Snowflakes, that it is not that difficult to write a patch that will switch the distribution back to the old wording?

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread jdow
On 20200722 15:17:03, Ralph Seichter wrote: * Charles Sprickman: Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum. "Tiny changes", as in small stones getting kicked down a slope, causing an avalanche. Attempts to restrict vocabulary should be a very familiar and worrying

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Charles Sprickman: > Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum. "Tiny changes", as in small stones getting kicked down a slope, causing an avalanche. Attempts to restrict vocabulary should be a very familiar and worrying concept to anyone who read Orwell. Speaking out

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Rick Cooper
Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 7/21/2020 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: >> I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the >> USA". > One data point disproves that.  The SA project made the choice months > ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom: >

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
> This is not a tiny change. I had hoped it would be, which is why I supported it > in the initial PMC vote, but it's becoming clear to me I was overly optimistic. Wait until you have to vote on the use of the word welcomelist. Preferring English to other languages could be seen as

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, Charles Sprickman wrote: Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum. This is not a tiny change. I had hoped it would be, which is why I supported it in the initial PMC vote, but it's becoming clear to me I was overly optimistic. -- John Hardin

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread shanew
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, Loren Wilton wrote: You note that "gay" has a different meaning today. As far as I know, the words "black" and "white" were not systematically used to refer to skin colors before about 1963, when a movement was set afoot in the USA to replace "negro" with "black" and

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:25 AM jdow wrote: > > On 20200722 00:28:22, Marc Roos wrote: > > > >>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves. > > > > The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's > > 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 18:25 -0700, Loren Wilton wrote: > I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the > USA". It should be noted that historically bkacks were enslaved just > as little or much as any other race in other countries, and I don't > see those contries bending

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread M. Omer GOLGELI
July 22, 2020 11:46 AM, "M. Omer GOLGELI" wrote: > Like Laura questioned, Oops! /Laura/Loren/ my bad... -- M. Omer GOLGELI

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread M. Omer GOLGELI
July 22, 2020 11:16 AM, "Charles Sprickman" wrote: > > you’d like the > whole world to adjust to your narrow views (which all center around your > experiences of the world, > which of course are the only valid ones, right?). So yes, you’re a bunch of > snowflakes. >  This is a perfect

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
> I’m going to follow that other dude’s lead and start donating to > Portland bail funds in your names each time you post. :) Do know that is identity theft and a crime. Please post proof of your action on this list.

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread jdow
On 20200722 00:28:22, Marc Roos wrote: Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves. The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Marc Roos wrote: > > >>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves. > > The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's > 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of > the 2010s, viewed as

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Noel Butler
RESENT - list didnt obviously like my original so here is a slightly more sanatised version On 22/07/2020 12:48, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves. > > You are a loud, pedantic, solipsistic minority that is just unwilling to > either a)

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
> I really don't get why anyone would be offended by blacklistd and whitelist > given neither have any sort of connection to race or skin color. That is because you have a proper logically functioning brain. Which makes you even part of a minority group. Hence you can look forward to

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves. The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and more prone to taking offence than

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
> There’s only like 4 of you, you can do this with a cc: list. 4? If you don't get your facts straight, there is little to no value to other things you write.

RE: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-22 Thread Marc Roos
> I hear that the old RMA resistor color code is under attack as it is exceptionally discriminatory. > As you may or may not know black is the lowest value 0, brown is only 1, Red is 2. This :D

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Eric Broch
It's only the closed minded that limit language. On 7/21/2020 9:29 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote: We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like you. On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21,

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote: > > We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like > you. > > > On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: >>> For better or worse, we are at

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Eric Broch
We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like you. On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society as a whole is deliberating the

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/21/20 7:52 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: One data point disproves that. The SA project made the choice months ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom: https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/ I'm okay if a group of

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 7/21/2020 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: > I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the > USA". One data point disproves that.  The SA project made the choice months ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom:

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote: > >> For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society >> as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms "white" and >> "black". > > I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Loren Wilton
For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms "white" and "black". I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the USA". It should be noted that historically bkacks were

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread jdow
On 20200721 10:34:13, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote: This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm probably going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say. I don't think your post is offensive.  It is said as a statement of facts

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 21 Jul 2020, at 13:34, Grant Taylor wrote: Will we be asked to rename "blacktop", which is a specific subset of asphalt? Or what about renaming the SR-71 Blackbird? Or will White Castle need to rename, when the name was originally meant to reference clean and safe to eat at? Or dare I

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote: This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm probably going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say. I don't think your post is offensive. It is said as a statement of facts and does not seem to contain any

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-21 Thread Peter L. Berghold
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 21:42 -0700, Richard Troy wrote: > > clean victory. "YES, we have vanquished the evil, hurtful words > blacklist > and whitelist!" AND, "thank the universe the system still works!" > Both > sides can have their way! > > AND, of course, the

Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-20 Thread Richard Troy
Hi Folks, I post infrequently - and intend to keep it that way - and want to ensure my posts have actual value to the community. First, I'm NOT a member of the d...@spamassassin.apache.org email list and I surely hope someone who is will kindly forward this email to that list. List