Re: score=19.9 points, tflags=autolearn_force; = autolearn=no autolearn_force=no; WTF?

2015-04-22 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 4/21/2015 11:48 PM, David B Funk wrote: I've got some home-grown rules that I trust to which have added tflags autolearn_force Recently I've seen some spam that hit those rules and racked up enough points that they should have auto-learned. But the scoring analysis explicitly says autolearn

Re: score=19.9 points, tflags=autolearn_force; = autolearn=no autolearn_force=no; WTF?

2015-04-22 Thread RW
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:48:46 -0500 (CDT) David B Funk wrote: is the autolearn_force being ignored because of the initial BAYES_00 score? Yes, a Bayes point in the opposite direction prevents auto-training. All the force flag does is override the 3+3 rule

score=19.9 points, tflags=autolearn_force; = autolearn=no autolearn_force=no; WTF?

2015-04-21 Thread David B Funk
I've got some home-grown rules that I trust to which have added tflags autolearn_force Recently I've seen some spam that hit those rules and racked up enough points that they should have auto-learned. But the scoring analysis explicitly says autolearn=no autolearn_force=no. What's going on here

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-26 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
in user_prefs: tflags INVALID_DATE autolearn_force tflags are part of the Privileged Settings (see section in M::SA::Conf docs). For security and efficiency reasons, these are not allowed in user_prefs, unless allow_user_rules is enabled. (Just for completeness, dunno if you enabled it.) Nonetheless

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread RW
=0.723,RDNS_NONE=0.793,SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01,URIBL_BLACK=1.7 X-Spam-Autolearn: no autolearn_force=no And here's a case where it doesn't autolearn ham (same user_prefs as above): ... The documentation certainly doesn't say anything like the 3/3 and force mechanism is in place

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
autolearn_force tflags URIBL_JP_SURBL autolearn_force tflags URIBL_BLACK autolearn_force tflags INVALID_DATE autolearn_force Nonetheless: X-Spam-Score: 6.9 X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_99=3.5,BAYES_999=0.2,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723,RDNS_NONE=0.793,SPF_PASS=-0.001

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread Axb
On 05/25/2014 07:12 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force tflags URIBL_JP_SURBL autolearn_force tflags URIBL_BLACK autolearn_force tflags INVALID_DATE autolearn_force URIBL rules are not set to use 'userconf' (user configuration) so entries in user_prefs shouldn't

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force Axb should probably read: Axb tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM net domains_only autolearn_force Axb etc, etc - and not in user_ Axb iirc, this will also influence Bayes's scoring/learning behaviour. Axb modifying rules' tflags should be done with care But it does autolearn

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread Axb
: local.cf) (not Axb user_prefs) Axb your: tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force Axb should probably read: Axb tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM net domains_only autolearn_force Axb etc, etc - and not in user_ Axb iirc, this will also influence Bayes's scoring/learning behaviour. Axb modifying rules' tflags

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sun, 25 May 2014 20:06:22 +0200 Axb axb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Axb Yes, when it reached certain conditions and a score above 15.0 Axb you can tune that score via local.cf entries: Axb bayes_auto_learn_threshold_nonspam bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam Please see the prefs in my post upthread

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-25 Thread RW
wide rule (ie: local.cf) Axb (not user_prefs) Axb your: tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force Axb should probably read: Axb tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM net domains_only autolearn_force Axb etc, etc - and not in user_ Axb iirc, this will also influence Bayes's scoring/learning Axb

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-24 Thread Ian Zimmerman
bayes_auto_learn_on_error 0 [snip] tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force tflags URIBL_JP_SURBL autolearn_force tflags URIBL_BLACK autolearn_force tflags INVALID_DATE autolearn_force Nonetheless: X-Spam-Score: 6.9 X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_99=3.5,BAYES_999=0.2,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-24 Thread Ian Zimmerman
So, now I am really confused. I think I did everything right in user_prefs: bayes_auto_learn 1 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_nonspam -2.00 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 6.00 bayes_auto_learn_on_error 0 [snip] tflags URIBL_DBL_SPAM autolearn_force tflags URIBL_JP_SURBL

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-22 Thread RW
On Wed, 21 May 2014 21:34:23 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: I don't understand this setting, and reading the documentation doesn't help. It seems it sould make bayes learn spam whenever the total score surpasses the value of bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam, and not require 3 points from header

Re: autolearn_force

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:54:42 +0100 RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: Ian I don't understand this setting, and reading the documentation Ian doesn't help. Ian It seems it should make Bayes learn spam whenever the total score Ian surpasses the value of bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam, and not

autolearn_force

2014-05-21 Thread Ian Zimmerman
I don't understand this setting, and reading the documentation doesn't help. It seems it sould make bayes learn spam whenever the total score surpasses the value of bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam, and not require 3 points from header and body each; that would make it a global setting similar in