Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 21:04 UK Time, LuKreme wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Herbert Eppel wrote: In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive' This is not the way to go, though it seems to make sense. The rulesets are designed around the idea that pushing past a 5.0 indicates a strong possibility that the message is spam and that a sore of 4.5 is not. If you drop the score to 4.5, you are not making SA more aggressive, you are intentionally marking message that SA says are not spam as spam. A better way is to adjust scores. Carefully. The best way is to train babes, but train it well. If your host doesn’t allow this, maybe you can find a host that does? Also, what is your server doing BEFORE receiving the message to block spam? Most mail providers with cPanel seem to do either nothing or nearly nothing. Good filters and postscreen (or postscreen-like) before SMTP transaction will do *far* more to alleviate your spam problem. Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure what you mean by "adjust scores" and how to go about it. I don't really want to switch from QiQ as provider, because apart from the spam issue I'm very happy with their service. Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 20:51 UK Time, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:20 +, Herbert Eppel wrote: Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid as an ordinary SA user with limited knowledge of these matters I have, quite frankly, no idea what you are talking about. We may be able to offer more relevant help if we understood how your mail system is connected up. So far it looks as though your mail is: - received by your ISP's main mailserver - passed to SA which adds spam scoring headers - then passed through your ISP's spam filter, which deletes any message with a score high enough to be treated as spam. What happens after that? Are you simply pointing a mail reader at your ISP's system and using POP3 or IMAP to retrieve mail from their server? - if so, what mailreader are you using? Different Mailreaders have varying ways of handling spam. These range from quite elaborate and configuring to nothing at all. - if you are doing something different or more elaborate, tell us what you're using and how its connected. Hi Martin Thanks for your helpful reply. I mainly use Thunderbird in POP3 mode to retrieve mail from the server(s). As you are probably aware, Thunderbird has a junk training facility that quite adequately deals with spam that gets through at the server level. The spam overload problem mainly arises at times when I read mail on my smartphone, in which case I don't have the additional Thunderbird spam filtering available, and my QiQ mailbox tends to be swamped with spam, which is why I want to try and get a better grip on the spam situation at the server level. Regards Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 20:14 UK Time, Tom Hendrikx wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15-12-14 19:16, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 18:03 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". Thanks for your reply. I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) Here is their reply: /I will take a look at the filter but would imagine if that is how Spam Assassin made the program that way, then there is nothing we can do to change it, though contacting Spam Assassin for advice may be the way forward, as we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part of cPanel - both third party programs./ The question remains: How can I change the SA score without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk (bringing this back on list) Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the level of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be that it's up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It shouldn't hurt to ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for them to say exactly what options QiQ should set that opens the option to classify without discard. Ooops, I didn't realise I had replied privately. Thanks for your further reply. Is there another way to access the SA score setting, outside cPanel? I think this is more a cPanel question than a spamassassin one. A very quick google pointed me towards https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/ALD/Apache+SpamAssassin After skimming that, it seems to me that your hosting provider (QIQ) needs to configure cPanel for you in order to have mail labeled as spam delivered (to your spam folder or otherwise). Also, in the default settings, mail labeled as spam by spamassassin is already dropped (auto-delete spam): you can only change the score threshold in the gui. So RTFM, try out some cPanel settings, and contact QIQ when you have a better understanding of what you can do yourself, and what cPanel should be able to provide given that QIQ does some tweaking for you. As far as the level of technical insights you've shown in your messages until now, I don't think it's useful (or fair) to get into the gory details of spamassassin config with you. I'm not being unfriendly but I'm guessing that you use cPanel for a reason: you're not the seasoned (e-mail) admin that is comfortable tinkering with command line and manual config file editing. Kind regards, Tom Thanks for your reply. FWIW, I regard myself as quite a seasoned computer and e-mail user, and I'm not afraid of editing the registry and Mozilla config files, for example, provided I have some guidance. It's just that the finer details of spam prevention are quite new to me. With my other mail accounts (Gmail and GMX), spam is automatically handled very adequately at the server level, but it seems manual tweaking is required with my QiQ accounts in order to get the spam situation under control. As for spam auto-delete, the screenshot I sent with my original message shows that this is in fact disabled. Regards Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 20:09 UK Time, Jari Fredriksson wrote: On 15.12.2014 20:16, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 18:03 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". Thanks for your reply. I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) Here is their reply: /I will take a look at the filter but would imagine if that is how Spam Assassin made the program that way, then there is nothing we can do to change it, though contacting Spam Assassin for advice may be the way forward, as we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part of cPanel - both third party programs./ The question remains: How can I change the SA score without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk (bringing this back on list) Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the level of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be that it's up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It shouldn't hurt to ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for them to say exactly what options QiQ should set that opens the option to classify without discard. Ooops, I didn't realise I had replied privately. Thanks for your further reply. Is there another way to access the SA score setting, outside cPanel? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk SpamAssassin has global settings in text files in the server, and also *possibly* user definable settings also in a text file(s) in the disk of the server. If you have a home directory the server (shell access) *and* QiQ has configured SpamAsassin to allow user configured settings, then yes. If neither of these options evaluate to "yes" then no. Thanks for your reply. I have access to /.spamassassin/user_prefs - is that what you mean? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 18:38 UK Time, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.12.2014 um 19:20 schrieb Herbert Eppel: On 15.12.2014 18:02 UK Time, Reindl Harald wrote: besides that using RBL scoring and wise filters for dynamic PTRs and invalid HELO names *before* SA on the MTA level should reject most spam without false positives 3 months: * 25 delivered ham messages * 85 MTA level rejects * 32000 SA hits Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid as an ordinary SA user with limited knowledge of these matters I have, quite frankly, no idea what you are talking about. Don't hesitate to tell me to RTFM, but if you feel like elaborating a little, ideally in an 'acronym-free environment', I would be grateful. for postfix just Google for the parameters below and read http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html which will kill 90% of all junk before it ever touchs the expensive content filter since only the dialup-balcklists have the reject score of 8 and all others need at least confirmation based on trust-level of the RBL combined with some whitelists you achieve both: * large amount of catches * avoid false positives this like "127.0.0.[4..7]" are the RBL response codes of aggregated lists which has the benefit postscreen needs only do a single dns lookup and weight the results (RTFM of the RBL's itself) postscreen_dnsbl_ttl = 5m postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 8 postscreen_dnsbl_action = enforce postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_dnsbl_sites = dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.10*8 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;11]*8 b.barracudacentral.org=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.inps.de=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.5*7 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[4..7]*7 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.3*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.2*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[10;11;12]*4 bl.spamcop.net=127.0.0.2*4 bl.spameatingmonkey.net=127.0.0.[2;3]*4 dnsrbl.swinog.ch=127.0.0.3*4 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.2*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.7*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.8*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.6*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.9*2 wl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[18;19;20]*-2 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].0*-2 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].1*-3 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].2*-4 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].3*-5 Thanks for your further reply, but all this stuff is quite new to me, and I'm quite mystified by it, to be honest. Grüße nach Wien Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 23:40, Axb wrote: > On 12/15/2014 10:04 PM, LuKreme wrote: >> The best way is to train babes > > now THAT is a challenge... > > What do you feed them during the process? > diamonds? an appt in the Burj Khalifa? a Veneno Roadster? > > > I know that this adds just the noise but it should be obvious that axb wrote from a cell phone with auto correct... -- jarif.bit signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 12/15/2014 10:04 PM, LuKreme wrote: The best way is to train babes now THAT is a challenge... What do you feed them during the process? diamonds? an appt in the Burj Khalifa? a Veneno Roadster?
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Herbert Eppel wrote: > In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with > spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of > 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive' This is not the way to go, though it seems to make sense. The rulesets are designed around the idea that pushing past a 5.0 indicates a strong possibility that the message is spam and that a sore of 4.5 is not. If you drop the score to 4.5, you are not making SA more aggressive, you are intentionally marking message that SA says are not spam as spam. A better way is to adjust scores. Carefully. The best way is to train babes, but train it well. If your host doesn’t allow this, maybe you can find a host that does? Also, what is your server doing BEFORE receiving the message to block spam? Most mail providers with cPanel seem to do either nothing or nearly nothing. Good filters and postscreen (or postscreen-like) before SMTP transaction will do *far* more to alleviate your spam problem. -- you cannot code around infinite implementations of OCD -John C Welch
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:20 +, Herbert Eppel wrote: > Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid as an ordinary SA user with > limited knowledge of these matters I have, quite frankly, no idea what > you are talking about. > We may be able to offer more relevant help if we understood how your mail system is connected up. So far it looks as though your mail is: - received by your ISP's main mailserver - passed to SA which adds spam scoring headers - then passed through your ISP's spam filter, which deletes any message with a score high enough to be treated as spam. What happens after that? Are you simply pointing a mail reader at your ISP's system and using POP3 or IMAP to retrieve mail from their server? - if so, what mailreader are you using? Different Mailreaders have varying ways of handling spam. These range from quite elaborate and configuring to nothing at all. - if you are doing something different or more elaborate, tell us what you're using and how its connected. Martin
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15-12-14 19:16, Herbert Eppel wrote: > > On 15.12.2014 18:03 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: >> On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: >>> On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: > I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail > services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature > that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. > > In view of the fact that some of my domains are > increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce > the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a > lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more > 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam > Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam > folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way > to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the > "Spam Auto-Delete" function. > > Am I missing something? > > Thank you > > Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk > You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. >>> >>> I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) >>> >>> Here is their reply: /I will take a look at the filter but >>> would imagine if that is how Spam Assassin made the program >>> that way, then there is nothing we can do to change it, though >>> contacting Spam Assassin for advice may be the way forward, as >>> we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part of cPanel - both >>> third party programs./ >>> >>> The question remains: How can I change the SA score without >>> simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? >>> >>> Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? >>> >>> Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk >> (bringing this back on list) >> >> Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the >> level of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be >> that it's up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It >> shouldn't hurt to ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for >> them to say exactly what options QiQ should set that opens the >> option to classify without discard. > > Ooops, I didn't realise I had replied privately. Thanks for your > further reply. > > Is there another way to access the SA score setting, outside > cPanel? > I think this is more a cPanel question than a spamassassin one. A very quick google pointed me towards https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/ALD/Apache+SpamAssassin After skimming that, it seems to me that your hosting provider (QIQ) needs to configure cPanel for you in order to have mail labeled as spam delivered (to your spam folder or otherwise). Also, in the default settings, mail labeled as spam by spamassassin is already dropped (auto-delete spam): you can only change the score threshold in the gui. So RTFM, try out some cPanel settings, and contact QIQ when you have a better understanding of what you can do yourself, and what cPanel should be able to provide given that QIQ does some tweaking for you. As far as the level of technical insights you've shown in your messages until now, I don't think it's useful (or fair) to get into the gory details of spamassassin config with you. I'm not being unfriendly but I'm guessing that you use cPanel for a reason: you're not the seasoned (e-mail) admin that is comfortable tinkering with command line and manual config file editing. Kind regards, Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJUj0ErAAoJEJPfMZ19VO/1UBkQAMH9iUJBMnoU30UmH142IrYQ Hdh/8CzS77kNHJ/P4vslFDumHca6vLVhEEc8tivLa0OlPl5gs7d0jOEmyDP5XWdq +B6OUZIiwhsDfmKzT2FiO8xxw2JK4qwC+CDae0K+ul+SLOz9mbhuDWg+GamvuqmK yoVu4tWkKQ4Kl+5iDczBnxjWJLDckt/ut97VsbJOK1giNGu1NLA+Mhswn+aKznYP dIAEIP0UacgKfQJj5+I744CPwJcTUz0eErPzqWsBvyo5CuVOjBpiTG/qhBBEsJ4P 94bHSX0R9WzrI33HTHqYR1WCQ1ZTY21ETUOzEjo/XypNqtTPkwiGLvFGtngwp1vk NOzNBPrA6/+bBCrmKgv7VKnBXEK1/1j3fXW5SpPHhNBusbStQ4Tr+83EMlPkNqc/ hNtztSDbRTBbsB4igTXwKXPx4sYnSvSOc1rwjAgjMJuYkENPv7TDGjHo8K7Wsyvq aF0v9ekxOYSYSD31P70hmJ1iqKFPYVjaxH3skE5EH+bHJRtht7x6IMeVjUhiUxeT wdUkpttgUH/TUjDGu6nsK1p+PC5N2JfvTC2nuk2qDB62UqcXmbh6XFCynodXe4cb hWsGfFY0tWsVBxZm+iMv9aqqpX0a+QuGl+mVd6UEGROfzM0l71KqPvBL5koI+hr6 qAx9HxCzuzZ79/uWEO8c =wVtz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 20:16, Herbert Eppel wrote: > > On 15.12.2014 18:03 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: >> On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: >>> On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: > I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. > QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible > via cPanel – see screenshot below. > > In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly > inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score > from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make > SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to > enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the > spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to > change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam > Auto-Delete" function. > > Am I missing something? > > Thank you > > Herbert Eppel > www.HETranslation.co.uk > You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. >>> >>> I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) >>> >>> Here is their reply: >>> /I will take a look at the filter but would imagine if that is how >>> Spam Assassin made the program that way, then there is nothing we >>> can do to change it, though contacting Spam Assassin for advice may >>> be the way forward, as we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part >>> of cPanel - both third party programs./ >>> >>> The question remains: How can I change the SA score without >>> simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? >>> >>> Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? >>> >>> Herbert Eppel >>> www.HETranslation.co.uk >> (bringing this back on list) >> >> Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the level >> of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be that it's >> up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It shouldn't hurt to >> ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for them to say exactly >> what options QiQ should set that opens the option to classify without >> discard. > > Ooops, I didn't realise I had replied privately. Thanks for your > further reply. > > Is there another way to access the SA score setting, outside cPanel? > > Herbert Eppel > www.HETranslation.co.uk > SpamAssassin has global settings in text files in the server, and also *possibly* user definable settings also in a text file(s) in the disk of the server. If you have a home directory the server (shell access) *and* QiQ has configured SpamAsassin to allow user configured settings, then yes. If neither of these options evaluate to "yes" then no. -- jarif.bit signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
Am 15.12.2014 um 19:20 schrieb Herbert Eppel: On 15.12.2014 18:02 UK Time, Reindl Harald wrote: besides that using RBL scoring and wise filters for dynamic PTRs and invalid HELO names *before* SA on the MTA level should reject most spam without false positives 3 months: * 25 delivered ham messages * 85 MTA level rejects * 32000 SA hits Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid as an ordinary SA user with limited knowledge of these matters I have, quite frankly, no idea what you are talking about. Don't hesitate to tell me to RTFM, but if you feel like elaborating a little, ideally in an 'acronym-free environment', I would be grateful. for postfix just Google for the parameters below and read http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html which will kill 90% of all junk before it ever touchs the expensive content filter since only the dialup-balcklists have the reject score of 8 and all others need at least confirmation based on trust-level of the RBL combined with some whitelists you achieve both: * large amount of catches * avoid false positives this like "127.0.0.[4..7]" are the RBL response codes of aggregated lists which has the benefit postscreen needs only do a single dns lookup and weight the results (RTFM of the RBL's itself) postscreen_dnsbl_ttl = 5m postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 8 postscreen_dnsbl_action = enforce postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_dnsbl_sites = dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.10*8 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;11]*8 b.barracudacentral.org=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.inps.de=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.5*7 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[4..7]*7 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.3*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.2*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[10;11;12]*4 bl.spamcop.net=127.0.0.2*4 bl.spameatingmonkey.net=127.0.0.[2;3]*4 dnsrbl.swinog.ch=127.0.0.3*4 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.2*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.7*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.8*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.6*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.9*2 wl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[18;19;20]*-2 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].0*-2 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].1*-3 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].2*-4 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].3*-5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 18:02 UK Time, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.12.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything" besides that using RBL scoring and wise filters for dynamic PTRs and invalid HELO names *before* SA on the MTA level should reject most spam without false positives 3 months: * 25 delivered ham messages * 85 MTA level rejects * 32000 SA hits Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid as an ordinary SA user with limited knowledge of these matters I have, quite frankly, no idea what you are talking about. Don't hesitate to tell me to RTFM, but if you feel like elaborating a little, ideally in an 'acronym-free environment', I would be grateful. Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 15.12.2014 18:03 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". Thanks for your reply. I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) Here is their reply: I will take a look at the filter but would imagine if that is how Spam Assassin made the program that way, then there is nothing we can do to change it, though contacting Spam Assassin for advice may be the way forward, as we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part of cPanel - both third party programs. The question remains: How can I change the SA score without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk (bringing this back on list) Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the level of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be that it's up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It shouldn't hurt to ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for them to say exactly what options QiQ should set that opens the option to classify without discard. Ooops, I didn't realise I had replied privately. Thanks for your further reply. Is there another way to access the SA score setting, outside cPanel? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
Am 15.12.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Joe Quinn: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything" besides that using RBL scoring and wise filters for dynamic PTRs and invalid HELO names *before* SA on the MTA level should reject most spam without false positives 3 months: * 25 delivered ham messages * 85 MTA level rejects * 32000 SA hits signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 12/15/2014 12:34 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: On 15.12.2014 17:27 UK Time, Joe Quinn wrote: On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel -- see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything". Thanks for your reply. I already asked QiQ support. They asked me to ask SA :-) Here is their reply: /I will take a look at the filter but would imagine if that is how Spam Assassin made the program that way, then there is nothing we can do to change it, though contacting Spam Assassin for advice may be the way forward, as we do not provide Spam Assassin, it is a part of cPanel - both third party programs./ The question remains: How can I change the SA score without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function? Perhaps I need to ask cPanel support? Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk (bringing this back on list) Quite likely. I am not familiar enough with cPanel to know the level of configuration it gives, but my educated guess would be that it's up to QiQ to configure their install of cPanel. It shouldn't hurt to ask cPanel people anyway, even if it's just for them to say exactly what options QiQ should set that opens the option to classify without discard.
Re: Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Herbert Eppel wrote: I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel -- see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk You'll need to ask QiQ. SA is only a classifier. It takes an email as input and outputs score results, plus a modified email with spam headers. I would also caution against lowering the score threshold more than 0.5 or so. There's a point where it goes from "catching more spam" to "catching more of everything".
Can't change SpamAssassin score without enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function
I use QiQ.co.uk for web hosting and associated e-mail services. QiQ offer SpamAssassin as an integrated feature that is accessible via cPanel – see screenshot below. In view of the fact that some of my domains are increasingly inundated with spam, I would like to reduce the SpamAssassin score from the default value of 5 to a lower value, in order to make SpamAssassin more 'aggressive'. However, I don't really want to enable Spam Auto-Delete because I want to be able to check the spam folder for false positives, but apparently there is no way to change the setting without simultaneously enabling the "Spam Auto-Delete" function. Am I missing something? Thank you Herbert Eppel www.HETranslation.co.uk
