Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 26. jan. 2015 17.25.06 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: I don't quite understand what you're saying, can you unpack that a bit? i have forgot now what the quesstion is and i belive you know what happends if using skip rbl check is 1

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 04:56 PM, John Hardin wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? Highly un-scientific explanation: Probably because history/experience/gut feeling/etc decided, in absence of network tests, that it

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% On 25.01.15 11:13, LuKreme wrote: This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check does not only disable blacklists

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Benny Pedersen wrote: On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check does

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.01.2015 um 17:17 schrieb Benny Pedersen: On 26. jan. 2015 16.57.09 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: OK, but: why does Bayes saying it looks as hammy as it looks spammy score so much when network tests are disabled? dnswl is disabled, or missing training of ham, skip rbl check

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Benny Pedersen wrote: On 26. jan. 2015 17.25.06 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: I don't quite understand what you're saying, can you unpack that a bit? i have forgot now what the quesstion is and i belive you know what happends if using skip rbl check is 1 I

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing train of ham ? :-)

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing train of ham ? :-) WTF - it's bad if network tests are disabled -

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% On 25.01.15 11:13, LuKreme wrote: This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be scored at about 0.5, or lower. score BAYES_50 0 0 2.0

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Wolf Drechsel
Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too bad)... why is it bad of missing

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 12:05 PM, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate nwtwork rules are not used there (too

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-26 Thread Axb
On 01/26/2015 12:11 PM, Axb wrote: On 01/26/2015 12:05 PM, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Am Montag, 26. Januar 2015, 11:23:59 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 26.01.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2015-01-26 09:41: score BAYES_50 0 0 2.00.8 that would indicate

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.01.2015 um 19:13 schrieb LuKreme: On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be scored at about 0.5, or lower depends on the

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-25 Thread LuKreme
On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be scored at about 0.5, or lower. -- Your stepmom is cute Shut up, Ted Remember when she was a

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.01.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 25.01.2015 um 19:13 schrieb LuKreme: On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Wolf Drechsel drech...@verkehrsplanung.com wrote: 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 40-60% This is incorrect. Bayes_50 should be scored

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-24 Thread Wolf Drechsel
Hello, thanks a lot for all of these answers! - I've to confess that I found a very stupid misconfiguration within kdepim's rules set - changing that resolved most of the issue. Sorry I caused that effort - but finally I found a solution for my prob... Am Freitag, 23. Januar 2015, 10:39:32

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Hi everybody, I googled and read a lot - but couldnt find any trick... After months of training still round 90% of all messages are treated as SPAM, allthough I'm marking all of them as HAM. 2.0

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.01.2015 um 18:59 schrieb John Hardin: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Wolf Drechsel wrote: I googled and read a lot - but couldnt find any trick... After months of training still round 90% of all messages are treated as SPAM, allthough I'm marking all of them as HAM. 2.0 BAYES_50

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Wolf Drechsel wrote: Hi everybody, I googled and read a lot - but couldnt find any trick... After months of training still round 90% of all messages are treated as SPAM, allthough I'm marking all of them as HAM. 2.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit

after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread Wolf Drechsel
Hi everybody, I googled and read a lot - but couldnt find any trick... After months of training still round 90% of all messages are treated as SPAM, allthough I'm marking all of them as HAM. My environment: Ubuntu 14.04 kmail 4.14.2 in the kontact (kdepim) suite SpamAssassin version 3.4.0

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread Joe Quinn
To start, there are several very real things wrong with your example message. In my opinion, that message was correctly classified. Do you have any better-representative samples that you can paste in full? (http://pastebin.com/) Have you tried using -D bayes to see what tokens are being

Re: after months of training still most messages treated as SPAM

2015-01-23 Thread Kris Deugau
Joe Quinn wrote: To start, there are several very real things wrong with your example message. In my opinion, that message was correctly classified. Maybe, maybe not - without the actual message there's no more information. I've seen all too much legitimate mail hit some very strange