Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 Dec 2015, at 8:37, RW wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:41:31 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:02, Ian Zimmerman wrote: esired result. Clearly you can do the su magic if needed. Um, no. Neither su nor sudo magically changes the permissions or ownership of files. No,

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-30 Thread RW
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:41:31 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: > On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:02, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > esired result. > > > > Clearly you can do the su magic if needed. > > Um, no. > > Neither su nor sudo magically changes the permissions or ownership of > files. No, but sudo allows

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread RW
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 23:42:03 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: > Using these facts, my learning script that runs as root and reads > from multiple real users' Maildirs does this to learn ham: > >for AFILE in $HAMS ; do formail < $AFILE ; done| sudo -H -u > $SAUSER sa-learn --ham --mbox > > Where

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Bill Cole
On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:02, Ian Zimmerman wrote: On 2015-12-29 19:44 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: On 29 Dec 2015, at 18:54, Ian Zimmerman wrote: In fact sa-learn accepts multiple named arguments on the command line, so the alternative I use is to go through the spambox N files at a time in a

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2015-12-29 20:41 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > Neither su nor sudo magically changes the permissions or ownership of > files. If you pass filenames as arguments they must be readable by the > user actually running sa-learn, which is the *unprivileged* user > handling the system-wide BayesDB

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 30.12.2015 um 03:11 schrieb Ian Zimmerman: On 2015-12-29 20:41 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: Neither su nor sudo magically changes the permissions or ownership of files. If you pass filenames as arguments they must be readable by the user actually running sa-learn, which is the *unprivileged*

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2015-12-29 19:44 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > On 29 Dec 2015, at 18:54, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > >In fact sa-learn accepts multiple named arguments on the command line, > >so the alternative I use is to go through the spambox N files at a time > >in a shell loop. (I have N=100 but obviously

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Bill Cole
On 29 Dec 2015, at 13:24, RW wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 23:42:03 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: Using these facts, my learning script that runs as root and reads from multiple real users' Maildirs does this to learn ham: for AFILE in $HAMS ; do formail < $AFILE ; done| sudo -H -u $SAUSER sa-learn

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2015-12-29 17:50 -0500, Bill Cole wrote: > Yes, with the advantage of using Mail::SpamAssassin::Util::secure_tmpfile() > rather > than whatever I happen to roll up in a bit of Q shell that I never get > around to > reviewing for edge cases... > > The main reason to do something like that is

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Bill Cole
On 29 Dec 2015, at 18:54, Ian Zimmerman wrote: In fact sa-learn accepts multiple named arguments on the command line, so the alternative I use is to go through the spambox N files at a time in a shell loop. (I have N=100 but obviously this depends.) Which successfully ignores the original

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Bill Cole
On 29 Dec 2015, at 8:28, Jude DaShiell wrote: With spamassassin, is it possible to have the filter show counts of number of messages sent to spam, number of messages sent to ham, and total number of messages processed that a user can check? Since SpamAssassin is a suite of Perl modules and

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Chalmers
assassin.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts. >>> On 28 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Peter L. Berghold wrote: >>> >>> The script that I use to pull the messages out of a >>> spam bucket invoking sa-learn runs as root which has

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.12.2015 um 05:42 schrieb Bill Cole: On 28 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Peter L. Berghold wrote: The script that I use to pull the messages out of a spam bucket invoking sa-learn runs as root which has permissions to read from anywhere. The complication is the amavis does not have permissions

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
ers-20150...@billmail.scconsult.com> Reply-To: users@spamassassin.apache.org To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts. On 28 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Peter L. Berghold wrote: The script that I use to pull the messages out of a spam bucket invoking sa-lear

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Peter L. Berghold wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:38:17AM -0800, John Hardin wrote: * you haven't also been training ham. Bayes needs sufficient examples of both to be able to make a judgement. Oh yes, been training ham too. Good. * you're somehow mistraining

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.12.2015 um 23:54 schrieb Peter L. Berghold: I think you might be on to something here. When I run "sa-learn --dump magic" as root and as amavis they are definitely different. Here is the result as "root" again: so this is going to complicate how I educate SpamAsssassin about what

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Peter L. Berghold
I think you might be on to something here. When I run "sa-learn --dump magic" as root and as amavis they are definitely different. Here is the result as "root" again: # sa-learn --dump magic 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version 0.000 0

Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Peter L. Berghold
I've been noticing a lot of SPAM emails coming to my account with subject headers "Trump's Brain Secret" and similar, along with "Amazon Gift Card" and other something for nothing sorts of emails. I keep feeding them to sa-learn and yet they still keep popping up every other fetch from my

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 28 December 2015 at 20:27:32, Peter L. Berghold wrote: > I've been noticing a lot of SPAM emails coming to my account > How do I figure out where the issue is or if the learning is even > working? Show us the headers of the delivered email/s? Antony. -- "Once you have a panic,

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Peter L. Berghold wrote: I've been noticing a lot of SPAM emails coming to my account with subject headers "Trump's Brain Secret" and similar, along with "Amazon Gift Card" and other something for nothing sorts of emails. I keep feeding them to sa-learn and yet they

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.12.2015 um 20:27 schrieb Peter L. Berghold: I've been noticing a lot of SPAM emails coming to my account with subject headers "Trump's Brain Secret" and similar, along with "Amazon Gift Card" and other something for nothing sorts of emails. I keep feeding them to sa-learn and yet they

Re: Is BAYES filtering working? Having doubts.

2015-12-28 Thread Bill Cole
On 28 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Peter L. Berghold wrote: The script that I use to pull the messages out of a spam bucket invoking sa-learn runs as root which has permissions to read from anywhere. The complication is the amavis does not have permissions to read the Maildir files for trivial users