Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.09.2015 um 01:45 schrieb Nick Edwards: also I wonder why an unbound user joins the bind list because some people are smart enough to use different software for different usecases as unbound for caching-only servers and named for autoritative nameservers and for some usecases like rout

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-16 Thread Nick Edwards
lol I KNEW youd that cause you just cant help yourself, trying to draw attention away from yourself, but thats OK every person whos come across you knows better, a simple google of your name shows an immense number of your vitriol on many many lists. the bannings youve had from many many lists s

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 16 September 2015 at 10:32:55, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 16.09.2015 um 04:25 schrieb Nick Edwards: > > - and no that is not rude, you have no idea how i sound > > if i start to get rude > > the fact you don't feel being rude does not mean you are not. > >>> > >>>

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.09.2015 um 04:25 schrieb Nick Edwards: On 9/15/15, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.09.2015 um 00:05 schrieb Nick Edwards: On 9/15/15, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who would file a bug

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-15 Thread Nick Edwards
On 9/15/15, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 15.09.2015 um 00:05 schrieb Nick Edwards: >> On 9/15/15, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: >> and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who >> would >> file a bug for *any* packa

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.09.2015 um 00:05 schrieb Nick Edwards: On 9/15/15, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who would file a bug for *any* package which rely on a internet connection due update Am 14.09.2015 u

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Nick Edwards
On 9/15/15, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: >>>On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who would file a bug for *any* package which rely on a internet connection due update > >>Am 14.09.2015 um 17:25 schrieb Matus UHLAR - f

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Reindl Harald
already I see this particular information for the first time. Maybe you could point me to proper place in the archive? Or maybe you could be more specific instead of blame everyone for everything? Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---- Betreff: Re: Live upgrade safe? Datum: Mon, 14 Sep 201

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who would file a bug for *any* package which rely on a internet connection due update Am 14.09.2015 um 17:25 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: in such case it's up to the distributions' maintain

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2015 um 17:25 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and no, i am not the package maintainer but the first person who would file a bug for *any* package which rely on a internet connection due update in such case it's up to the distributions' maintain

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and the package maintainer will tell you it should be considered as bug upstream when updates from the network are mandatory - no package does that and SA can also be sueful on machines without a internet connection working with local files and corpus Am

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On September 14, 2015 2:25:19 AM Reindl Harald wrote: you are talking bullshit! what ?

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2015 um 02:17 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Greg Troxel skrev den 2015-09-14 01:35: I don't remember getting bit by it until just now. ask your self, what will happend if you upgraded rpm package that is possible new in the rpm repos, but cointains also the rules that are old, and you dai

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
Greg Troxel skrev den 2015-09-14 01:35: I don't remember getting bit by it until just now. ask your self, what will happend if you upgraded rpm package that is possible new in the rpm repos, but cointains also the rules that are old, and you daily have used sa-update via cron, do you then lik

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2015 um 01:41 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 14.09.2015 um 01:35 schrieb Greg Troxel: Reindl Harald writes: RPM packages are not supposed to contact network *3rd party* ressources at install time and when you think 1 second you know why - who tells you that the 3rd party ressource is

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2015 um 01:35 schrieb Greg Troxel: Reindl Harald writes: RPM packages are not supposed to contact network *3rd party* ressources at install time and when you think 1 second you know why - who tells you that the 3rd party ressource is available at that moment and how handle errors an

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Reindl Harald writes: > RPM packages are not supposed to contact network *3rd party* > ressources at install time and when you think 1 second you know why - > who tells you that the 3rd party ressource is available at that moment > and how handle errors and bugreports when it fails? > > that wil

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 19:15 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and the package maintainer will tell you it should be considered as bug upstream when updates from the network are mandatory - no package does that and SA can also be sueful on machines without a int

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 12.09.15 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote: and the package maintainer will tell you it should be considered as bug upstream when updates from the network are mandatory - no package does that and SA can also be sueful on machines without a internet connection working with local files and corpus Am

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: Am 11.09.2015 um 21:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: if your distribution restarts spamassassin, it will most probably download the rules before. Not everyone uses distributions... On 12.09.15 04:20, Reindl Harald wrote: no, the ser

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 11.09.2015 um 21:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: if your distribution restarts spamassassin, it will most probably download the rules before. Not everyone uses distributions... On 12.09.15 04:20, Reindl Harald wrote: no, the service restarts are usually rpm-macros in the %post section

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2015 um 15:24 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: Am 11.09.2015 um 21:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: if your distribution restarts spamassassin, it will most probably download the rules before. Not everyone uses distributions... On 12.09.15 04:20, Reindl Harald wrote: no, the servi

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 11.09.2015 um 21:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: if your distribution restarts spamassassin, it will most probably download the rules before. Not everyone uses distributions... On 12.09.15 04:20, Reindl Harald wrote: no, the service restarts are usually rpm-macros in the %post section an

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2015 um 21:08 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: >Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local >configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I >use the default bdb Bayes store.) On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: yes, but yo

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
>Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local >configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I >use the default bdb Bayes store.) On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: yes, but you need to run "sa-update" before restart to fetch the l

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Ian Zimmerman skrev den 2015-09-11 18:05: I appreciate you trying to help, but you don't really answer my question. Even if I could do what you suggest, the rsync would still take finite time - longer than the interval between the upgrade and th

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
Ian Zimmerman skrev den 2015-09-11 18:05: I appreciate you trying to help, but you don't really answer my question. Even if I could do what you suggest, the rsync would still take finite time - longer than the interval between the upgrade and the restart on the production system. if you recen

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Ian Zimmerman: On 2015-09-11 17:35 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I use the default bdb Bayes store.) yes, but you need to ru

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
Ian Zimmerman skrev den 2015-09-11 17:21: Isn't this a contradiction? If my distribution automatically restarts (which it does), how can I sneak in a sa-update run after the upgrade but before the restart? ask the precompiled problem maintainer, not here, your packege is not doing well if th

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2015-09-11 17:35 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >>>Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local > >>>configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I > >>>use the default bdb Bayes store.) > >> > >>yes, but you need to run "sa-update" before restart

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2015 um 17:54 schrieb RW: On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:21:15 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I use the defa

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread RW
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:21:15 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any > > >local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes > > >database? (I use the default bdb Bayes store.)

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.09.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Ian Zimmerman: On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I use the default bdb Bayes store.) yes, but you need to r

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-09-11 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2015-08-14 17:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local > >configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I > >use the default bdb Bayes store.) > > yes, but you need to run "sa-update" before restart to fetch

Re: Live upgrade safe?

2015-08-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.08.2015 um 17:32 schrieb Ian Zimmerman: Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I use the default bdb Bayes store.) yes, but you need to run "sa-update" before restart to fetch the latest

Live upgrade safe?

2015-08-14 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Can I safely upgrade SA from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 without changing any local configuration files, and without regenerating the Bayes database? (I use the default bdb Bayes store.) -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to l