Re: RFC 5966 and rbldnsd

2011-12-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

 1: use rbldnsd to dump zone to bind.zone (Gigaram usage)



On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.skwrote:

I doubt rbldns is able to dump zone content.
many DNSBL providers support also BIND format.
Note that BIND takes much more RAM space


On 02.12.11 17:22, Matthias Leisi wrote:

man rbldnsd:

|  -d Dump  all  zones to stdout in BIND format and exit.  This may be

That's what we use for the BIND export of dnswl.org data (create
rbldnsd-formatted file, and let rbldnsd -d create the BIND file).


hmmm didn't know about this one. But don't you think it's worth it? 
rbldnsd can automatically reread data files when they change, and takes 
up much less memory. I don't think TCP is that important for this kind 
of service...

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Re: RFC 5966 and rbldnsd

2011-12-04 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas
uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:

 |  -d     Dump  all  zones to stdout in BIND format and exit.  This may be

 That's what we use for the BIND export of dnswl.org data (create
 rbldnsd-formatted file, and let rbldnsd -d create the BIND file).

 hmmm didn't know about this one. But don't you think it's worth it? rbldnsd
 can automatically reread data files when they change, and takes up much less
 memory. I don't think TCP is that important for this kind of service...

Memory consumption for the relatively modest-sized dnswl.org data is
not really an issue, as is the automatic rereading for the data that
changes slowly (yes, it's different for a typical blacklist).

The reason to use BIND vary with the use case. Corporate environments
may be fine with running some version of BIND (and they may be doing
that already), but may not want to invest in getting rbldnsd up and
running in production quality.

For our own purpose, having more than only rbldnsd serves to mitigate
the (security-) risks of a monoculture.

As this is getting heavily off-topic for this list, please take
responses off-list.

-- Matthias


RFC 5966 and rbldnsd

2011-12-02 Thread Benny Pedersen

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5966

if rbldnsd does only UDP will not give problems for bind local cache, 
or isp remote dns servers in forwards ?


hope rbldns hosters dont sleep here

2 ways of workaround is:

1: use rbldnsd to dump zone to bind.zone (Gigaram usage)
2: let bind use forwards zones to rbldnsd master (Megaram usage)

comments ?

todo ipv6 in rbldnsd




Re: RFC 5966 and rbldnsd

2011-12-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 02.12.11 15:52, Benny Pedersen wrote:
if rbldnsd does only UDP will not give problems for bind local cache, 
or isp remote dns servers in forwards ?


I don't think so.


hope rbldns hosters dont sleep here

2 ways of workaround is:


work around what?


1: use rbldnsd to dump zone to bind.zone (Gigaram usage)


I doubt rbldns is able to dump zone content.
many DNSBL providers support also BIND format.
Note that BIND takes much more RAM space


2: let bind use forwards zones to rbldnsd master (Megaram usage)


we use that, but ... what are you talking about? rbldns is not 
recursive, so even if we did not, it's BIND who'd query rbldnsd, not 
clients



todo ipv6 in rbldnsd


while talking about ipv6 queries, not a big problem. However, with ipv6 
blacklisting will apparently look different...

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Re: RFC 5966 and rbldnsd

2011-12-02 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.skwrote:

  1: use rbldnsd to dump zone to bind.zone (Gigaram usage)


 I doubt rbldns is able to dump zone content.
 many DNSBL providers support also BIND format.
 Note that BIND takes much more RAM space


man rbldnsd:

|  -d Dump  all  zones to stdout in BIND format and exit.  This may be

That's what we use for the BIND export of dnswl.org data (create
rbldnsd-formatted file, and let rbldnsd -d create the BIND file).

-- Matthias